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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 9287273" data-attributes="member: 4937">A position philosophically associated with neutrality or perhaps chaotic neutrality.  So in other words you are Chaotic Neutral in your philosophy?I mean as a Chaotic Neutral I'd fully expect you to perceive the beliefs and actions of a Lawful Good character as being abhorrent, including his belief that Good and Evil were objective things and not subjective value statements.You aren't arguing against alignment.  You are just positioning yourself on the wheel and then declaring your position is the absolute objective truth - just exactly like creatures in the D&D universe.  Do you know objectively that good and evil are subjective value statements?  Is that a matter of objective fact?  Chaotic Neutral to the extent they believe anything is objective believe that is objectively true.In part I'm just teasing you here and not fully serious.  I don't for example ascribe to the alignment wheel as existing in real life or as fully descriptive of people's intellectual, philosophical, and moral outlooks.  I do think it's silly that you are such a moral absolutist that by your own account you can't even explore any philosophical ground that doesn't agree with your take on good and evil.  I don't even really need to argue what you seem to want to argue, which is whether your absolutist take is correct and coherent.  The problem I mostly see is that it's so absolutely limiting.  The fact that you are incoherent when you write something like "there's no such thing as "evil" monsters or species" and yet also "then there are creatures whose existence is basically an automatic problem for others" is merely a curiosity, since it seems to me like within your own framework you could define evil as "things whose existence is objectively basically an automatic problem for others" (which is precisely what most people mean when they say "evil") and be in like 99% agreement with the alignment wheel.</blockquote>

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