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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 3075095" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>The creature is just living its life. The PCs are the ones invading the swamp. Even if a Good PC does wait for the neutral creature to attack, the Good PCs are still the "home invaders" and the neutral creature is still dead at the end of the encounter. The Good PCs still intentionally traveled to the swamp. How is this really that different than an Evil Rogue who invades a merchant’s home, gets surprised when the man is at home, and kills him? The only difference is the reason for invading. The Good PCs presumably travel into the swamp to accomplish a good goal, but the end result is still that an innocent neutral creature gets killed.</p><p></p><p></p><p>DND discusses good alignment, but the entire adventuring and CR system and magic item system is designed around killing.</p><p></p><p>When being attacked, there often isn't time to do Detect Evil and make sure that the good PCs are justified in killing the creature attacking them. The game is really not designed for this.</p><p></p><p>Getting back to the OPs original post, it is interesting how many people stated that this was an evil act when these same people have probably played "Good PCs" that go around killing creatures. For example, I suspect that most players of Good PCs have had one or more encounters at some point in time in a Thieves Guild or a Temple to an Evil Deity where every single (non-captive) creature found there was automatically killed on sight. No questions asked. Justification by Location.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I opine that with the CR system designed with the expectation that PCs will have certain levels of wealth and magical equipment at certain levels, that very few players actually play their Good PCs as genuinely altruistic.</p><p></p><p>This is not a condemnation, it is an observation on how the game has a dichotomy between its alignment system and its CR/wealth/item systems. The game really does not have a real good reward system for not killing. For example, Vow of Nonviolence in BoED is practically impossible to play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 3075095, member: 2011"] The creature is just living its life. The PCs are the ones invading the swamp. Even if a Good PC does wait for the neutral creature to attack, the Good PCs are still the "home invaders" and the neutral creature is still dead at the end of the encounter. The Good PCs still intentionally traveled to the swamp. How is this really that different than an Evil Rogue who invades a merchant’s home, gets surprised when the man is at home, and kills him? The only difference is the reason for invading. The Good PCs presumably travel into the swamp to accomplish a good goal, but the end result is still that an innocent neutral creature gets killed. DND discusses good alignment, but the entire adventuring and CR system and magic item system is designed around killing. When being attacked, there often isn't time to do Detect Evil and make sure that the good PCs are justified in killing the creature attacking them. The game is really not designed for this. Getting back to the OPs original post, it is interesting how many people stated that this was an evil act when these same people have probably played "Good PCs" that go around killing creatures. For example, I suspect that most players of Good PCs have had one or more encounters at some point in time in a Thieves Guild or a Temple to an Evil Deity where every single (non-captive) creature found there was automatically killed on sight. No questions asked. Justification by Location. I opine that with the CR system designed with the expectation that PCs will have certain levels of wealth and magical equipment at certain levels, that very few players actually play their Good PCs as genuinely altruistic. This is not a condemnation, it is an observation on how the game has a dichotomy between its alignment system and its CR/wealth/item systems. The game really does not have a real good reward system for not killing. For example, Vow of Nonviolence in BoED is practically impossible to play. [/QUOTE]
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