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<blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 4605354" data-attributes="member: 41584">Having grown up on the fantasy of Moorcock, Leiber and Howard, whose 'heroes' are thieves and scoundrels and mercenaries, and then gone on to play all sorts of GURPS fantasy, in addition to D&amp;D, I pretty much ignore alignment. My 'evil' people may worship evil gods and be willing to do all sorts of nasty stuff to advance the plot, but they aren't *crazy.* My 'good' people aren't the sort that I've seen played by every single Paladin player, EVER, who stab other party members in the back for 'touching their treasure' or 'disrespecting them' or 'killing their prisoner.'&nbsp;That's my entire beef with alignment as a system. The people who use their character's alignment to justify inter-party conflict and attacking their party members, and, in my experience, these players *always* choose Lawful Good.&nbsp;Gimme a party of nice, orderly Lawful Evils any day of the week. Or, even better, my normal group, who have played a dozen RPGs over the years, including GURPS, M&amp;M, Vampire, Call of Cthulhu, V&amp;V and Paranoia, and have no need for the crutch of alignment to play 'good guys.'&nbsp;It's interesting that most *Superhero games* have little use for the alignment mechanic... People sometimes argue about what 'alignment' Batman or Spiderman or Captain America would be, but they weren't written for the D&amp;D universe, so they don't have alignments, and function just fine as 'heroes' without them.&nbsp;In 30 years of gaming, I've never seen a player play an evil character that *wouldn't* go on an adventure to stop someone from destroying the world or whatever.&nbsp; The reason why evil will never conquer the world is the same reason why it's easy as pie to run an all-evil party through an adventure based on stopping evil.&nbsp; Evil isn't a big club.&nbsp; If Zuggtmoy conquers the world and drags it into her fungal layer of the Abyss, that doesn't do my Cleric of Hextor a darn bit of good.&nbsp; Of course he'll take up arms and fight the moldy demon-wench!&nbsp; How the heck is *HE* going to conquer the world if he lets it get turned into a mushroom appetizer?&nbsp;Even an apocalyptic worshippers of some crazy end times cult would be put out if some upstart like Lolth started destroying the world.&nbsp; That's just not part of Great Cthulhu's plan, after all!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Set, post: 4605354, member: 41584"] Having grown up on the fantasy of Moorcock, Leiber and Howard, whose 'heroes' are thieves and scoundrels and mercenaries, and then gone on to play all sorts of GURPS fantasy, in addition to D&D, I pretty much ignore alignment. My 'evil' people may worship evil gods and be willing to do all sorts of nasty stuff to advance the plot, but they aren't *crazy.* My 'good' people aren't the sort that I've seen played by every single Paladin player, EVER, who stab other party members in the back for 'touching their treasure' or 'disrespecting them' or 'killing their prisoner.' That's my entire beef with alignment as a system. The people who use their character's alignment to justify inter-party conflict and attacking their party members, and, in my experience, these players *always* choose Lawful Good. Gimme a party of nice, orderly Lawful Evils any day of the week. Or, even better, my normal group, who have played a dozen RPGs over the years, including GURPS, M&M, Vampire, Call of Cthulhu, V&V and Paranoia, and have no need for the crutch of alignment to play 'good guys.' It's interesting that most *Superhero games* have little use for the alignment mechanic... People sometimes argue about what 'alignment' Batman or Spiderman or Captain America would be, but they weren't written for the D&D universe, so they don't have alignments, and function just fine as 'heroes' without them. In 30 years of gaming, I've never seen a player play an evil character that *wouldn't* go on an adventure to stop someone from destroying the world or whatever. The reason why evil will never conquer the world is the same reason why it's easy as pie to run an all-evil party through an adventure based on stopping evil. Evil isn't a big club. If Zuggtmoy conquers the world and drags it into her fungal layer of the Abyss, that doesn't do my Cleric of Hextor a darn bit of good. Of course he'll take up arms and fight the moldy demon-wench! How the heck is *HE* going to conquer the world if he lets it get turned into a mushroom appetizer? Even an apocalyptic worshippers of some crazy end times cult would be put out if some upstart like Lolth started destroying the world. That's just not part of Great Cthulhu's plan, after all! [/QUOTE]

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