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Evil parties that don't fall apart: ideas, suggestions, experiences?
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<blockquote data-quote="GameDoc" data-source="post: 6379465" data-attributes="member: 53915"><p>I think Marvel can give us two examples here.</p><p></p><p>The first, a short one from the recent Guardians of the Galaxy movie:</p><p></p><p>Rocket: Why would you want to save the galaxy?</p><p>Start Lord: [indignant] Because I'm one of the people who lives there!</p><p></p><p>Admittedly, neither are evil characters. But the point is its about motivation. Evil characters can recognize the need to work with other people to attain their own goals.</p><p></p><p>The second, broader example comes from the "Dark Reign" storyline where Norman Osborn manages to get himself made the Director of SHIELD.</p><p></p><p>First, he creates a secret cabal with Dr. Doom, Loki, the Red Hood, Emma Frost and Namor. These are powerful villains (or at least in the case of the latter two morally ambiguous heroes with reason to distrust the powers that be) the he cannot control and has to acknowledge as equals. The idea is they divide the world up amongst themselves and respect each other's turf and agendas. Like the dons of various mafias.</p><p></p><p>Then, he creates his own team of Avengers made up of mostly evil villains disguised as heroes. They actually work well as a team because they have a strong patron (Osborn) giving them purpose, direction, and rewards for doings so. They are all total bastards. But the creature comforts and opportunities to settle scores on the down low with their enemies are enough to keep them in line for the most part. </p><p></p><p>Interestingly, it's the cabal that falls apart first. These are powerful people with high opinions of themselves and eventually they can't just abide by Osborn's notion of them all being equals. They cannot contain their own agendas.</p><p></p><p>The "Dark Avengers" are mostly thugs. They are used to working for someone else and historically their self-directed schemes have been about acquiring riches or getting revenge on one superhero or another. To the extend Osborn can satisfy those needs, they work as a team (although the do antagonize each other quite a bit, but that could just as easily be because they are a Marvel team). The only one who really goes rogue is Bullseye and that's because he's a total psychopath. I'd say of all of them, he's the one who is closest to Chaotic Evil. The others are more LE/NE, at least as portrayed in the storyline. One could argue that Victoria Hand and Ares are actually more neutral characters.</p><p></p><p>At any rate, I'd recommend reading the Dark Avengers series to anyone wanting an idea of what an evil-aligned party looks like.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GameDoc, post: 6379465, member: 53915"] I think Marvel can give us two examples here. The first, a short one from the recent Guardians of the Galaxy movie: Rocket: Why would you want to save the galaxy? Start Lord: [indignant] Because I'm one of the people who lives there! Admittedly, neither are evil characters. But the point is its about motivation. Evil characters can recognize the need to work with other people to attain their own goals. The second, broader example comes from the "Dark Reign" storyline where Norman Osborn manages to get himself made the Director of SHIELD. First, he creates a secret cabal with Dr. Doom, Loki, the Red Hood, Emma Frost and Namor. These are powerful villains (or at least in the case of the latter two morally ambiguous heroes with reason to distrust the powers that be) the he cannot control and has to acknowledge as equals. The idea is they divide the world up amongst themselves and respect each other's turf and agendas. Like the dons of various mafias. Then, he creates his own team of Avengers made up of mostly evil villains disguised as heroes. They actually work well as a team because they have a strong patron (Osborn) giving them purpose, direction, and rewards for doings so. They are all total bastards. But the creature comforts and opportunities to settle scores on the down low with their enemies are enough to keep them in line for the most part. Interestingly, it's the cabal that falls apart first. These are powerful people with high opinions of themselves and eventually they can't just abide by Osborn's notion of them all being equals. They cannot contain their own agendas. The "Dark Avengers" are mostly thugs. They are used to working for someone else and historically their self-directed schemes have been about acquiring riches or getting revenge on one superhero or another. To the extend Osborn can satisfy those needs, they work as a team (although the do antagonize each other quite a bit, but that could just as easily be because they are a Marvel team). The only one who really goes rogue is Bullseye and that's because he's a total psychopath. I'd say of all of them, he's the one who is closest to Chaotic Evil. The others are more LE/NE, at least as portrayed in the storyline. One could argue that Victoria Hand and Ares are actually more neutral characters. At any rate, I'd recommend reading the Dark Avengers series to anyone wanting an idea of what an evil-aligned party looks like. [/QUOTE]
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