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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Set" data-source="post: 4929690" data-attributes="member: 41584">It's subjective.  You can watch a movie where Sarah Conner or Ellen Ripley get thrown around repeatedly and never think 'violence against women' because the antagonist is an alien or robot, not a man. Or you can watch Buffy, and even though the things slamming her around are monsters, some of them are played by attractive and popular actors who have made the character extremely popular, leaving the fans bewildered and trying to reconcile their attraction for a character that is an unapologetic serial rapist and mass murderer, by his own admission. And that show is a pretty decent example of misandry in action.  The women have super-powers.  The men, not so much, unless they are inhuman monsters (and each of them have a point where they become inhuman and monstrous, in personality or in body, reminding us of that valuable life-lesson that all men are monsters underneath).  If someone is going to get tortured, it's going to be Giles.  If someone's going to get tied up and bled for a ritual sacrifice, it's going to be Xander.  Between those two characters, they've had as many broken bones as Evil Knieval.  In subverting the genre, of 'woman as helpless captive, to be rescued by big strong man,' Joss didn't balance the scales, he completely up-ended them and presented a story that was off-balance in the other direction. What could have been a very mature and interesting play against gender tropes instead turned out to be about as subtle as I Spit on Your Grave.</blockquote>

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