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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 6615524" data-attributes="member: 22779">I ran into this some years ago with a player and it sounds similar.&nbsp; He came to me with his character and it was CN.&nbsp; I didn't know the player very well, and little alarm bells started ringing in my head because I'd run into Chaotic Stupid a few times in the past.&nbsp; But, I let it through with the caveat that we'd have a conversation about alignment in a few levels/sessions.&nbsp; So, later on down the line I asked him what alignment he thought he was.&nbsp; &quot;CN!&quot; he replied.&nbsp; He was adamant about it and was very vocal about the idea that he wanted his character to be able to do anything he, the player, wanted.&nbsp; I pointed out that his character was totally dependable, never actually acted without pre-planning and was really about as far from chaotic as you could get.&nbsp; The player dug in his heels and insisted that his character was CN.I realised that the issue wasn't really about alignment, but about control over the character.&nbsp; CN, in the player's mind, meant that I, the DM, would not be able to hold alignment elements over his head and force him to take actions.&nbsp; Not that I wanted to do that, but, I'm pretty sure he had previous DM's who would.&nbsp; We talked a little longer and I backed off.&nbsp; I let the player keep the CN alignment, to the point where spells and whatnot would affect him that way, and just never let it be an issue.It could be the same thing here.&nbsp; The player isn't insisting on CN because he's enamoured to that particular alignment but because he wants to make sure that the DM won't start forcing him to do things.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 6615524, member: 22779"] I ran into this some years ago with a player and it sounds similar. He came to me with his character and it was CN. I didn't know the player very well, and little alarm bells started ringing in my head because I'd run into Chaotic Stupid a few times in the past. But, I let it through with the caveat that we'd have a conversation about alignment in a few levels/sessions. So, later on down the line I asked him what alignment he thought he was. "CN!" he replied. He was adamant about it and was very vocal about the idea that he wanted his character to be able to do anything he, the player, wanted. I pointed out that his character was totally dependable, never actually acted without pre-planning and was really about as far from chaotic as you could get. The player dug in his heels and insisted that his character was CN. I realised that the issue wasn't really about alignment, but about control over the character. CN, in the player's mind, meant that I, the DM, would not be able to hold alignment elements over his head and force him to take actions. Not that I wanted to do that, but, I'm pretty sure he had previous DM's who would. We talked a little longer and I backed off. I let the player keep the CN alignment, to the point where spells and whatnot would affect him that way, and just never let it be an issue. It could be the same thing here. The player isn't insisting on CN because he's enamoured to that particular alignment but because he wants to make sure that the DM won't start forcing him to do things. [/QUOTE]

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