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<blockquote data-quote="Pickaxe" data-source="post: 1937861" data-attributes="member: 10812"><p>I don't think Merlion is taking issue with the potency of the two schools; rather, he's questioning whether they really are different, especially given the apparent overlap of certain spells. Even in the core rules, you have Call Lightning, Flame Blade, Fire Storm, etc., which are Evocation spells that could fit into Conjuration. (After all, Call Lightning is *calling* lightning, just as some Conjuration spells call creatures.)</p><p></p><p>I'm not unhappy with it either way, but a similar thought occured to me when I was looking for druid Conjuration spells with saves, to see if Spell Focus (Conjuration) had any worth to a druid other than getting him/her to Augment Summoning. IIRC, there are zero druidic conjurations that would benefit from SF, at least in PHB. And yet, as I looked through the spells, I kept coming to ones like Call Lightning thinking that this might be a worthy Conjuration spell, only to discover that these are all evocations, because they deal in energy.</p><p></p><p>As an added thought: If all energy spells are placed in Conjuration, would this include negative energy as well? Whither Necromancy? In fact, many schools have spells that bring forth something, matter or energy, which would be given up to this uber-school. What's left? Divination, Enchantment (possibly including fear spells, orphaned from Necromancy), Illusion (but are these Conjurations as well, especially shadow spells?), Transmutation, and some Abjuration (Dispel Magic yes, Shield no).</p><p></p><p>To me, combining schools seems less advisable, but new spells should stick to the rules in terms of school assignment rather than blurring the lines.</p><p></p><p>--Axe</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pickaxe, post: 1937861, member: 10812"] I don't think Merlion is taking issue with the potency of the two schools; rather, he's questioning whether they really are different, especially given the apparent overlap of certain spells. Even in the core rules, you have Call Lightning, Flame Blade, Fire Storm, etc., which are Evocation spells that could fit into Conjuration. (After all, Call Lightning is *calling* lightning, just as some Conjuration spells call creatures.) I'm not unhappy with it either way, but a similar thought occured to me when I was looking for druid Conjuration spells with saves, to see if Spell Focus (Conjuration) had any worth to a druid other than getting him/her to Augment Summoning. IIRC, there are zero druidic conjurations that would benefit from SF, at least in PHB. And yet, as I looked through the spells, I kept coming to ones like Call Lightning thinking that this might be a worthy Conjuration spell, only to discover that these are all evocations, because they deal in energy. As an added thought: If all energy spells are placed in Conjuration, would this include negative energy as well? Whither Necromancy? In fact, many schools have spells that bring forth something, matter or energy, which would be given up to this uber-school. What's left? Divination, Enchantment (possibly including fear spells, orphaned from Necromancy), Illusion (but are these Conjurations as well, especially shadow spells?), Transmutation, and some Abjuration (Dispel Magic yes, Shield no). To me, combining schools seems less advisable, but new spells should stick to the rules in terms of school assignment rather than blurring the lines. --Axe [/QUOTE]
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