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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8031649" data-attributes="member: 6987520"><p>Ah, man, come on people... why can't we all just get along!? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown :(" data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /></p><p></p><p>Seriously, though, to address [USER=15700]@Sacrosanct[/USER] in the OP:</p><p></p><p>Sure, the game changes. Most games do. We either look at the new version and decide to give it a try, or don't. Even after trying it, we might not like it and fall back to the "older" game. Like you, I played a little 3E (like maybe a year?), but then life happened and D&D didn't anymore. About two years ago a younger friend of mine from work was talking about D&D, we struck up a conversation and he told me a bit about 5E (honestly, I was so out of the scene I hadn't even known it was on the shelves!) and I told him tales of the 1E/2E I played for decades. I stopped by the bookstore, glanced through the PHB, and decided for less than $100 I could give it a whirl. Although there is lots about it I don't like, there are new ideas which I love, and so closing on two years later we are still playing it.</p><p></p><p>This player I first started with and another both embrace just about everything 5E comes out with. Me? No, thank you. I don't like CR or their book, not crazy about Eberron (?) or a lot of the "new" material. I find it unbalanced and not to my liking or the style of play I enjoy. Depending on the direction 6E takes when it emerges, I might finally get of the train and just stay with 1E/2E if I can find players or our house-ruled 5E.</p><p></p><p>But it is interesting that one of our group <em>really</em> wants to play 1E. I had him make up some characters and we played a couple times. He loves it. He likes the different mechanics, tables, dice, and systems it uses instead of the same d20 for nearly everything. Another player is willing to give it a shot now as well.</p><p></p><p>Frankly, I'm with [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] on a number of things, but I also realized recently on a new character sheet I developed (and <em>love</em>, one of my best IMO) that I forgot to put alignment on it!! It just isn't a big thing in 5E. Personality, Ideal, etc. has more weight. For monsters, however, it gives DMs a board stroke as to the typical case (we all know there are always exceptions) and I am okay with that. Will I not play 6E if they take out alignment or make orcs variable for alignment? Nah, I'll still look into it. It just isn't that important to me, and if makes others happier playing the game without it, it is a small sacrifice I am more than happy to make for them so they enjoy the game more.</p><p></p><p>Do I represent non-hetero NPCs in my games? Sometimes, if it is relevant somehow to the story. But otherwise they are just "there" and it doesn't matter to me if they are hetero or not. If a player imagines an NPC is gay for some reason and has his PC act I on, I'll roll with it and play things out either way.</p><p></p><p>As others have said, 5E has redefined ability scores to the point that having a STR 20 doesn't make you necessarily a muscle-bound person. Application of what those scores represent is just as important. Thus, decreases due to gender or folk or whatever just don't make sense to maximums. If you want to apply them to initial scores? Well, maybe. I could see arguments both ways.</p><p></p><p>Regardless of what happens with WotC and the future of the game, I agree completely we all can have the game that our tables want to play, even if others don't like it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8031649, member: 6987520"] Ah, man, come on people... why can't we all just get along!? :( Seriously, though, to address [USER=15700]@Sacrosanct[/USER] in the OP: Sure, the game changes. Most games do. We either look at the new version and decide to give it a try, or don't. Even after trying it, we might not like it and fall back to the "older" game. Like you, I played a little 3E (like maybe a year?), but then life happened and D&D didn't anymore. About two years ago a younger friend of mine from work was talking about D&D, we struck up a conversation and he told me a bit about 5E (honestly, I was so out of the scene I hadn't even known it was on the shelves!) and I told him tales of the 1E/2E I played for decades. I stopped by the bookstore, glanced through the PHB, and decided for less than $100 I could give it a whirl. Although there is lots about it I don't like, there are new ideas which I love, and so closing on two years later we are still playing it. This player I first started with and another both embrace just about everything 5E comes out with. Me? No, thank you. I don't like CR or their book, not crazy about Eberron (?) or a lot of the "new" material. I find it unbalanced and not to my liking or the style of play I enjoy. Depending on the direction 6E takes when it emerges, I might finally get of the train and just stay with 1E/2E if I can find players or our house-ruled 5E. But it is interesting that one of our group [I]really[/I] wants to play 1E. I had him make up some characters and we played a couple times. He loves it. He likes the different mechanics, tables, dice, and systems it uses instead of the same d20 for nearly everything. Another player is willing to give it a shot now as well. Frankly, I'm with [USER=6801845]@Oofta[/USER] on a number of things, but I also realized recently on a new character sheet I developed (and [I]love[/I], one of my best IMO) that I forgot to put alignment on it!! It just isn't a big thing in 5E. Personality, Ideal, etc. has more weight. For monsters, however, it gives DMs a board stroke as to the typical case (we all know there are always exceptions) and I am okay with that. Will I not play 6E if they take out alignment or make orcs variable for alignment? Nah, I'll still look into it. It just isn't that important to me, and if makes others happier playing the game without it, it is a small sacrifice I am more than happy to make for them so they enjoy the game more. Do I represent non-hetero NPCs in my games? Sometimes, if it is relevant somehow to the story. But otherwise they are just "there" and it doesn't matter to me if they are hetero or not. If a player imagines an NPC is gay for some reason and has his PC act I on, I'll roll with it and play things out either way. As others have said, 5E has redefined ability scores to the point that having a STR 20 doesn't make you necessarily a muscle-bound person. Application of what those scores represent is just as important. Thus, decreases due to gender or folk or whatever just don't make sense to maximums. If you want to apply them to initial scores? Well, maybe. I could see arguments both ways. Regardless of what happens with WotC and the future of the game, I agree completely we all can have the game that our tables want to play, even if others don't like it. [/QUOTE]
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