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<blockquote data-quote="Spatula" data-source="post: 2925098" data-attributes="member: 2198"><p>This post contains spoilers for the old 3.0E adventure <em>The Heart of Nightfang Spire</em>.</p><p></p><p>So, I'm looking for some advice on a game situation that occured tonight. I'm taking a party of four through <em>Nightfang</em>, which (if you're not familiar with it) is a big tower full of all kinds of nasty undead that have recently awoken. In the original adventure, there were also some (subterrean) gorillians that broke into the tower's catacombs and were living there contentedly until the undead awoke. Now they're fighting a losing battle vs the tower's inhabitants, as their kind are being kidnapped, tortured, and turned into servants of the BBEG.</p><p></p><p>I've replaced the gorillians with cave trolls (average Int 3 trolls, basically) since it's key that the gorillians' leader is actually kinda-sorta smart (for one of her kind), and gorillians were changed to have animal intelligence in 3.5E.</p><p></p><p>The party consists of a CG barbarian, a LG rogue / slayer of domiel (has a few exalted feats to qualify for his PrC), a LG cleric of the silver flame with Vow of Poverty (has a lot of exalted feats), and a LG wizard / silver pyromancer (from Eberron's Five Nations, basically an arcane paladin). Exalted feats require the character to be extra-special good, above and beyond a normal person of good alignment.</p><p></p><p>They've been making their way through the tower, destroying undead as they find them. They've also run across groups of cave trolls (sometimes also in the presence of undead) that would attack them on sight. One of the trolls in each of these groups would be wearing a skull-like leather muzzle, basically a sign of the troll's status as a foreman of sorts - these are the trolls that have been tortured and pressed in the service of the BBEG.</p><p></p><p>Tonight, they penetrated into the catacombs beneath the tower, and came across the cave trolls that still remain free of the undead influence. The trolls, confused by the small not-undead creatures before them, do not attack and fall back rather than confront the PCs. The PCs, for their part, chase down the trolls and wipe them out.</p><p></p><p>The barbarian noted several times as they were preparing to take the fight to the trolls that the creatures didn't attack, none of them had a leather mask thing, they weren't a threat, etc. The exalted characters were insistant on killing them, however. The slayer of domiel can detect evil like a paladin, but never did so. They cornered the trolls and let loose with fireballs, at which point the trolls defended themselves. The PCs managed to kill or maim the vast majority of them before running out of fire spells and teleporting out of the tower, and then we stopped for the night.</p><p></p><p>Now... I can understand the whole troll = kill thing, but I tried to make it as clear as possible that these trolls were different than the others that they had encountered, and the barbarian, at least, picked up on that. It seems to me that the exalted characters failed in some respect, although I'm not sure I would characterize their actions as a "willfully evil." Should they lose their feats until they can atone? Is there some other lesser penalty I can apply? Or am I just overreacting?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Spatula, post: 2925098, member: 2198"] This post contains spoilers for the old 3.0E adventure [i]The Heart of Nightfang Spire[/i]. So, I'm looking for some advice on a game situation that occured tonight. I'm taking a party of four through [i]Nightfang[/i], which (if you're not familiar with it) is a big tower full of all kinds of nasty undead that have recently awoken. In the original adventure, there were also some (subterrean) gorillians that broke into the tower's catacombs and were living there contentedly until the undead awoke. Now they're fighting a losing battle vs the tower's inhabitants, as their kind are being kidnapped, tortured, and turned into servants of the BBEG. I've replaced the gorillians with cave trolls (average Int 3 trolls, basically) since it's key that the gorillians' leader is actually kinda-sorta smart (for one of her kind), and gorillians were changed to have animal intelligence in 3.5E. The party consists of a CG barbarian, a LG rogue / slayer of domiel (has a few exalted feats to qualify for his PrC), a LG cleric of the silver flame with Vow of Poverty (has a lot of exalted feats), and a LG wizard / silver pyromancer (from Eberron's Five Nations, basically an arcane paladin). Exalted feats require the character to be extra-special good, above and beyond a normal person of good alignment. They've been making their way through the tower, destroying undead as they find them. They've also run across groups of cave trolls (sometimes also in the presence of undead) that would attack them on sight. One of the trolls in each of these groups would be wearing a skull-like leather muzzle, basically a sign of the troll's status as a foreman of sorts - these are the trolls that have been tortured and pressed in the service of the BBEG. Tonight, they penetrated into the catacombs beneath the tower, and came across the cave trolls that still remain free of the undead influence. The trolls, confused by the small not-undead creatures before them, do not attack and fall back rather than confront the PCs. The PCs, for their part, chase down the trolls and wipe them out. The barbarian noted several times as they were preparing to take the fight to the trolls that the creatures didn't attack, none of them had a leather mask thing, they weren't a threat, etc. The exalted characters were insistant on killing them, however. The slayer of domiel can detect evil like a paladin, but never did so. They cornered the trolls and let loose with fireballs, at which point the trolls defended themselves. The PCs managed to kill or maim the vast majority of them before running out of fire spells and teleporting out of the tower, and then we stopped for the night. Now... I can understand the whole troll = kill thing, but I tried to make it as clear as possible that these trolls were different than the others that they had encountered, and the barbarian, at least, picked up on that. It seems to me that the exalted characters failed in some respect, although I'm not sure I would characterize their actions as a "willfully evil." Should they lose their feats until they can atone? Is there some other lesser penalty I can apply? Or am I just overreacting? [/QUOTE]
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