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<blockquote data-quote="GreyLord" data-source="post: 5369372" data-attributes="member: 4348">Uhhh, actually I pretty much love 4e....I also can recognize the mistakes WotC has made and don't let it blind me like a LOT of people do.&nbsp; I can see some serious problems up ahead.Yes, I also played 2e.&nbsp; I prefer 2e core with the grandfather clause still active for whatever I like with 1e tossed in.&nbsp; I dislike kits, I dislike most of the player options, and actively hate Skills and Powers of the player's options books.Of interest, I even had the amounts TSR was making...and it's amazing how they botched that up.&nbsp; At the height of it they were making ~80-100 million USD depending on the year.&nbsp; That's right folks TSR was actually making near the 100 million dollar range.Even in it's bad year...it was making 25-50 million (estimates are pretty rough to get accurately) but of course that's nothing when you are burning through 50-60 million a year in your budget.&nbsp; They got so used to having the high amoung of income...that when it went down...because of bad marketing strategies on their part...they didn't know how to change it up.I've actually played ALL the editions at some point or another.&nbsp; It's funny to see the illusions people think that ODD had with it (for example...S&amp;W has D20 type system as it's default...when in reality that didn't gain prominence till Greyhawk came out...prior to that any D20 was more of a second option for those who didn't have the chainmail rules...otherwise it was a completely different combat system then what you'd recognize now).Much of the vilifying against 2e is similar to some of what you see people throwing against 4e...believe it or not.&nbsp; However, 2e had some HIGHLY successful things...even in it's death throes...for example...the entire Infinity Engine series of games...But the marketing still stunk overall...same with 4e right now overall...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GreyLord, post: 5369372, member: 4348"] Uhhh, actually I pretty much love 4e....I also can recognize the mistakes WotC has made and don't let it blind me like a LOT of people do. I can see some serious problems up ahead. Yes, I also played 2e. I prefer 2e core with the grandfather clause still active for whatever I like with 1e tossed in. I dislike kits, I dislike most of the player options, and actively hate Skills and Powers of the player's options books. Of interest, I even had the amounts TSR was making...and it's amazing how they botched that up. At the height of it they were making ~80-100 million USD depending on the year. That's right folks TSR was actually making near the 100 million dollar range. Even in it's bad year...it was making 25-50 million (estimates are pretty rough to get accurately) but of course that's nothing when you are burning through 50-60 million a year in your budget. They got so used to having the high amoung of income...that when it went down...because of bad marketing strategies on their part...they didn't know how to change it up. I've actually played ALL the editions at some point or another. It's funny to see the illusions people think that ODD had with it (for example...S&W has D20 type system as it's default...when in reality that didn't gain prominence till Greyhawk came out...prior to that any D20 was more of a second option for those who didn't have the chainmail rules...otherwise it was a completely different combat system then what you'd recognize now). Much of the vilifying against 2e is similar to some of what you see people throwing against 4e...believe it or not. However, 2e had some HIGHLY successful things...even in it's death throes...for example...the entire Infinity Engine series of games... But the marketing still stunk overall...same with 4e right now overall... [/QUOTE]

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