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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5371298" data-attributes="member: 4892">I can agree on the divided fan base, that is self-evident. But I think they could have encountered the same division if they made 4E hew closer to 3E. I actually believe they would have lost more of their fan base. (I can hear the theoretical cries of &quot;4E is just 3.75!!!1!!one!! WotC just wants our moneyz!&quot; from beyond the grave of What-Might-Have-Been.)Paizo seems to thrive with Pathfinder because their fabase isn't seeking the same crunch-filled expansions that WotC used to produce. I'm beginning to wonder if WotC really lost many customers to Paizo. Those customers don't seem to mind the lack of crunch and probably weren't buying much, if anything, from WotC. And they probably already enjoyed Paizo's adventures immensely (and for good reasons), again not buying them from WotC. So what did WotC lose from these types of customers when they &quot;switched&quot; to Pathfinder?I think each game serves its niche well. And WotC is faced with retaining and gaining players in a new RPG market. Because of the OGL they created a competitor for life, something that never occurred for prior versions of D&amp;D. You could always play older versions, but until 3E there was no official support once the company moved on to the next edition.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5371298, member: 4892"] I can agree on the divided fan base, that is self-evident. But I think they could have encountered the same division if they made 4E hew closer to 3E. I actually believe they would have lost more of their fan base. (I can hear the theoretical cries of "4E is just 3.75!!!1!!one!! WotC just wants our moneyz!" from beyond the grave of What-Might-Have-Been.) Paizo seems to thrive with Pathfinder because their fabase isn't seeking the same crunch-filled expansions that WotC used to produce. I'm beginning to wonder if WotC really lost many customers to Paizo. Those customers don't seem to mind the lack of crunch and probably weren't buying much, if anything, from WotC. And they probably already enjoyed Paizo's adventures immensely (and for good reasons), again not buying them from WotC. So what did WotC lose from these types of customers when they "switched" to Pathfinder? I think each game serves its niche well. And WotC is faced with retaining and gaining players in a new RPG market. Because of the OGL they created a competitor for life, something that never occurred for prior versions of D&D. You could always play older versions, but until 3E there was no official support once the company moved on to the next edition. [/QUOTE]

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