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<blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 5371364" data-attributes="member: 40177">I wouldn't say objectively wrong.&nbsp; What's going on is we're looking at different things and calling it the same thing.&nbsp; And I've been in enough battles of semantics online that I don't really find it worthwhile to do it again;&nbsp; I'd imagine you'll agree.My view on what constitutes a &quot;revision&quot; is when the perception of the game changes enough that fans of the game have to differentiate whether they are using the product or not. Whether you use the original Dark Sun boxed set or the re-release, for example.&nbsp; Original 2e, or 2e with S&amp;P/C&amp;T/S&amp;M.&nbsp; Or 1e core vs. 1e w/ Unearthed Arcana.&nbsp; Or 4e vs. Essentials.I agree with you that the underlying rules change is much smaller than all of those changes I've described above (with the debatable exception of Dark Sun).&nbsp; However, the perception of the changes in the game are a bit deeper than that.Sure, Essentials is mostly adding stuff, but it's also changing the way PCs are being made.&nbsp; And for a game like D&amp;D, where character creation is almost a sub-game in and of itself, this is a pretty big change.&nbsp; When people have to mention they're making that change when using shorthand to talk about their campaign, in my mind, I consider that a &quot;revision&quot;, even if it may not fit the classical sense.&nbsp; (FYI, using my usage of the term means that 3e went through two main revisions - 3.5E and Bo9s/Arcane Power/Incarnum).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wik, post: 5371364, member: 40177"] I wouldn't say objectively wrong. What's going on is we're looking at different things and calling it the same thing. And I've been in enough battles of semantics online that I don't really find it worthwhile to do it again; I'd imagine you'll agree. My view on what constitutes a "revision" is when the perception of the game changes enough that fans of the game have to differentiate whether they are using the product or not. Whether you use the original Dark Sun boxed set or the re-release, for example. Original 2e, or 2e with S&P/C&T/S&M. Or 1e core vs. 1e w/ Unearthed Arcana. Or 4e vs. Essentials. I agree with you that the underlying rules change is much smaller than all of those changes I've described above (with the debatable exception of Dark Sun). However, the perception of the changes in the game are a bit deeper than that. Sure, Essentials is mostly adding stuff, but it's also changing the way PCs are being made. And for a game like D&D, where character creation is almost a sub-game in and of itself, this is a pretty big change. When people have to mention they're making that change when using shorthand to talk about their campaign, in my mind, I consider that a "revision", even if it may not fit the classical sense. (FYI, using my usage of the term means that 3e went through two main revisions - 3.5E and Bo9s/Arcane Power/Incarnum). [/QUOTE]

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