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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5372107" data-attributes="member: 957">shrugIt is still a niche and I don't think the flagship brand of D&amp;D must be or should be a niche within the industry.&nbsp;Paizo followed the fans.&nbsp; Not the other way around.There was a lot of dissatisfaction with 4E before PF was announced.&nbsp; And yes, I know they announced PF before 4E was released.&nbsp; But we had a really solid idea what was coming, and a bunch of claims that we didn't have the &quot;context&quot; turned out to be wrong.&nbsp; 4E doesn't offer what *I* am looking for in an RPG.&nbsp; There are enough people who agree with me to make a difference.&nbsp; I'm not remotely claiming that there are not a lot of people for whom PF doesn't offer them what they want.&nbsp; I'm not trying to argue a &quot;right&quot; game vs. a &quot;wrong&quot; game.&nbsp; I am pointing out that a larger more market inclusive game can and has been established and I believe it COULD have been done again.I don't think Paizo supporting 4E would have turned more than 10% of their fanbase to 4E.&nbsp; If growing the hobby is a big deal, then even 4E fans should be thankful to Paizo for shoring up this drain on players.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 5372107, member: 957"] shrug It is still a niche and I don't think the flagship brand of D&D must be or should be a niche within the industry. Paizo followed the fans. Not the other way around. There was a lot of dissatisfaction with 4E before PF was announced. And yes, I know they announced PF before 4E was released. But we had a really solid idea what was coming, and a bunch of claims that we didn't have the "context" turned out to be wrong. 4E doesn't offer what *I* am looking for in an RPG. There are enough people who agree with me to make a difference. I'm not remotely claiming that there are not a lot of people for whom PF doesn't offer them what they want. I'm not trying to argue a "right" game vs. a "wrong" game. I am pointing out that a larger more market inclusive game can and has been established and I believe it COULD have been done again. I don't think Paizo supporting 4E would have turned more than 10% of their fanbase to 4E. If growing the hobby is a big deal, then even 4E fans should be thankful to Paizo for shoring up this drain on players. [/QUOTE]

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