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<blockquote data-quote="Emirikol" data-source="post: 4455321" data-attributes="member: 10638"><p>From experience, I can tell you that although it seems like fun for "a" player to have something really cool and customized for his character that may or may not be totally broken, it really wrecks the future of that particular game. </p><p></p><p>In fact, that doooooms a campaign and that DM.</p><p></p><p>Here's how: </p><p>Player 1 (plays a fighter) whines to his DM about not being able to have fun within the current rule system so he wants something for his character to do that's totally broken.</p><p>Player 2 (also plays a fighter) feels totally cheated because the DM is breaking the rules for one guy, but not for him and obviously not to the same degree..because there's no way to "equal things out in a system" of untested exceptions.</p><p>Player 3 (a guy who joins the group later, who plays a fighter): Player 3 finds out that everyone else in the group has their characters in a completely broken and exception-based rule-set that has nothing to do with continuity in a world or campaign logic..it was based completely on one player whining to his DM about not being able to do something totally broken, and the DM waffled.</p><p>Players 4-6 (playing wizard, rogue, cleric respectively) realize that only the player who WHINED THE MOST got this broken exception to his character, so obviously they're going to be resentful and this game is DOOMED.</p><p></p><p>Not a slippery slope, becasue I've seen it happen numerous times.</p><p></p><p>I've joined games in the middle of situations like that. NO FUN.</p><p></p><p>I've DMed games where players whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and whined (is that enough whining? evidently not for some players) and whined about not being able to create some fun for himself unless he's the only guy allowed to be the exception to the rules and the DM IS A BAD DM IF HE DOESN'T ALLOW IT.</p><p></p><p>I've been the DM who's waffled on stuff like that and seen how it destroys campaigns, games and friendships.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, some exceptions are ok..but if it can't be applied to ALL characters, then it shouldn't be done. One player whining to be the exception sounds a lot like the guy who graffiti's his neighbor's fence, but then gripes that his fence got graffiti'ed and that the town is going to crap.</p><p></p><p></p><p>[edit: something I forgot to add: If the DM's world/campaign doesn't have enough fluff/role-playing stuff for the characters to "customize" their characters so that they're whining and crybabying about the rule-set and coveting to be the exception to the rules as a substitute, the campaign is also doomed. In that sense it doesn't matter what a cowardly waffle the DM is on exceptions because he's obviously not presenting an interesting enough game for his players.]</p><p></p><p>jh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Emirikol, post: 4455321, member: 10638"] From experience, I can tell you that although it seems like fun for "a" player to have something really cool and customized for his character that may or may not be totally broken, it really wrecks the future of that particular game. In fact, that doooooms a campaign and that DM. Here's how: Player 1 (plays a fighter) whines to his DM about not being able to have fun within the current rule system so he wants something for his character to do that's totally broken. Player 2 (also plays a fighter) feels totally cheated because the DM is breaking the rules for one guy, but not for him and obviously not to the same degree..because there's no way to "equal things out in a system" of untested exceptions. Player 3 (a guy who joins the group later, who plays a fighter): Player 3 finds out that everyone else in the group has their characters in a completely broken and exception-based rule-set that has nothing to do with continuity in a world or campaign logic..it was based completely on one player whining to his DM about not being able to do something totally broken, and the DM waffled. Players 4-6 (playing wizard, rogue, cleric respectively) realize that only the player who WHINED THE MOST got this broken exception to his character, so obviously they're going to be resentful and this game is DOOMED. Not a slippery slope, becasue I've seen it happen numerous times. I've joined games in the middle of situations like that. NO FUN. I've DMed games where players whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and whined and whined (is that enough whining? evidently not for some players) and whined about not being able to create some fun for himself unless he's the only guy allowed to be the exception to the rules and the DM IS A BAD DM IF HE DOESN'T ALLOW IT. I've been the DM who's waffled on stuff like that and seen how it destroys campaigns, games and friendships. Sure, some exceptions are ok..but if it can't be applied to ALL characters, then it shouldn't be done. One player whining to be the exception sounds a lot like the guy who graffiti's his neighbor's fence, but then gripes that his fence got graffiti'ed and that the town is going to crap. [edit: something I forgot to add: If the DM's world/campaign doesn't have enough fluff/role-playing stuff for the characters to "customize" their characters so that they're whining and crybabying about the rule-set and coveting to be the exception to the rules as a substitute, the campaign is also doomed. In that sense it doesn't matter what a cowardly waffle the DM is on exceptions because he's obviously not presenting an interesting enough game for his players.] jh [/QUOTE]
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