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<blockquote data-quote="rowport" data-source="post: 4195998" data-attributes="member: 9729">Voss-I tend to agree; that is why class-based systems ultimately suck.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; D&amp;D approached a point-based system in 3.0/3.5, and then reverted back heavily to class-based (and &quot;role-based&quot;) in 4e.&nbsp; That is not progress, it limits options.I like simplicity in the rules-- I am having a blast playing Star Wars SAGA Edition because our rules mavens and our theatre guys are both effective.&nbsp; But, simplicity at the cost of options is completely lame.EDIT: On a related thought, I was very, very skeptical about how multiclassing would play out months ago, when there was some discussion about how much those rules were in flux during playtesting.&nbsp; I see now why.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; And, with respect to Ari, I think that his group all choosing *not* to multiclass (beyond dabbling, anyway) might well be influenced by mechanics as much as&nbsp; &quot;concept.&quot;&nbsp; If I consider my options at level up, and realize that multiclassing is suboptimal, I have a mechanical reason not to do it.&nbsp; I think that sucks.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="rowport, post: 4195998, member: 9729"] Voss- I tend to agree; that is why class-based systems ultimately suck. :) D&D approached a point-based system in 3.0/3.5, and then reverted back heavily to class-based (and "role-based") in 4e. That is not progress, it limits options. I like simplicity in the rules-- I am having a blast playing Star Wars SAGA Edition because our rules mavens and our theatre guys are both effective. But, simplicity at the cost of options is completely lame. EDIT: On a related thought, I was very, very skeptical about how multiclassing would play out months ago, when there was some discussion about how much those rules were in flux during playtesting. I see now why. :) And, with respect to Ari, I think that his group all choosing *not* to multiclass (beyond dabbling, anyway) might well be influenced by mechanics as much as "concept." If I consider my options at level up, and realize that multiclassing is suboptimal, I have a mechanical reason not to do it. I think that sucks. [/QUOTE]

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