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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wolv0rine" data-source="post: 4197328" data-attributes="member: 9045">Why thank you, that may be the first time someone's QFT'ed me in 6 frelling years. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />So, you forgo one of your normal class progression abilities and blow a feat, and (in the case of a spellcasting dip) you get one spell, and you can swap out that spell only upon leveling.  You don't even get like, 1 floating spell slot...  you get one spell.  I mean I could see this as being a little more valid if you could change your one spell at any time like other spellcasters can, but only on levelup?  Ehh.The system would have to provide me with a means to gain 1 full level of the class I’ve multi-classed into, not ask me to blow a feat and give me a nibble of 1 level of the class I multi-classed into.  That’s the thing, you’re not gaining 1 level of the multi’ed class, you’re gaining 1 piece of 1 level of that class.But you’re not getting 7 spells with a 1 level dip, you’re gaining 1 spell.  You’re still only getting 1 piece of 1 level.  At least in 3E if I take a level in another class, I get all the benefits of that one level.  If I multi into 1st level Wizard, I may get one spell…  and Summon Familiar, and Scribe Scroll, etc.  If I take more levels in Wizard, I’m going to get the full progression of spells for however many levels I took, not just 1 spell per Wizard level I take.I see the points, I just don’t like/agree with them.  If I’m multi-classing wizard levels, I know from the start that I’m not going to be a full-power Wizard.  If I wanted to be a full-power Wizard, I’d have gone full-Wizard levels.  I just don’t understand how making the choice to split your focus makes the system unworkable.  I mean, you know going into it that splitting your focus is going to make you less powerful in both/all of your areas of focus.  You’re giving up raw power for diversity, but you’re still getting the full measure of the levels you take.  Unlike the 4E excerpt, which shows us getting (to borrow from the food analogy earlier up-thread) our choice of a cherry, a banana, a scoop of ice cream, or some chocolate syrup when we ordered a banana split.And this is on top of the idea that for having feat-dipped, you get that one class ability at the same degree of skill as someone whose single classes the class you multi'ed it from.  Which is just a concept that also grates on my sensibilities.  I blew a feat and bypassed one of my primary class abilities to learn one trick from another class.  BUT, I'm just as good at that one thing as the expert single-classed guy.  Does it balance out?  Yeah kinda, but it's just...  illogical from a non-mechanical POV.</blockquote>

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