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<blockquote data-quote="Zelc" data-source="post: 4197332" data-attributes="member: 40496">This is what happens in 3.5e as well!!Beguiler 20 vs. Beguiler 19/Mindbender 1.&nbsp; I have the option of giving up a bunch of skill points (both in prereqs and skill points/level) and the Beguiler class ability to ignore SR against flat-footed opponents in exchange for the Mindbender class ability of telepathy 100'.&nbsp; So give up the equivalent of a weak feat to exchange one class ability for another.&nbsp; Of course, this breaks down slightly when you take more than one level of the PrC, but then you're still exchanging your base class abilities for the PrC abilities.Plus the other spellcasters can only change their spells when they level up in 4e.&nbsp; So no difference here.Try making a Rogue 6/Wizard 6 that can contribute in a 12th level encounter.&nbsp; Heck, even a Rogue 2/Wizard 10 is probably on par with if not slightly weaker than a Wizard 11.The feat could have been used to improve your primary class's capabilities.&nbsp; So you are weaker.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Zelc, post: 4197332, member: 40496"] [b][size=3]This is what happens in 3.5e as well!![/size][/b] Beguiler 20 vs. Beguiler 19/Mindbender 1. I have the option of giving up a bunch of skill points (both in prereqs and skill points/level) and the Beguiler class ability to ignore SR against flat-footed opponents in exchange for the Mindbender class ability of telepathy 100'. So give up the equivalent of a weak feat to exchange one class ability for another. Of course, this breaks down slightly when you take more than one level of the PrC, but then you're still exchanging your base class abilities for the PrC abilities. Plus the other spellcasters can only change their spells when they level up in 4e. So no difference here. Try making a Rogue 6/Wizard 6 that can contribute in a 12th level encounter. Heck, even a Rogue 2/Wizard 10 is probably on par with if not slightly weaker than a Wizard 11. The feat could have been used to improve your primary class's capabilities. So you are weaker. [/QUOTE]

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