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<blockquote data-quote="JohnSnow" data-source="post: 4198868" data-attributes="member: 32164"><p>Well, I don't have to bear the burden of working for Wizards and worrying about how what I say will reflect on the company. So I can get away with saying stuff like that. As long as I do it in a respectful manner (ENworld's "don't be a jerk" rule).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, to me, it seems that if I'm being honest, there aren't a whole lot of characters (even in fiction) that are as multitalented as people seem to be asking for here. When you have a character who's as tough as a fighter, can cast spells like a wizard, and has the skill set of a rogue, you have what fiction writers call a "Mary Sue." It's a character with no weaknesses to speak of, and it's lame. </p><p></p><p>For example, it's like wanting to run <em>Star Wars</em> with Han Solo as a Jedi Knight. Quite honestly, I put Cade Skywalker from the new <em>Star Wars</em> comic series into this category. He's a smuggler jedi with a dark past...oh yeah, he's also a Skywalker. Please! Sure, you can do it, but what does a character like that need with a party? It is, to an extent, a problem with Jedi in general. They're so self-sufficient they just wander around kicking butt. As much as I like <em>The Wheel of Time</em>, I wouldn't deny that Rand's a bit of a Mary Sue. But I digress...</p><p></p><p>Characters, good characters, have strengths and weaknesses. The class system builds those into a D&D character by making them better at some things and worse at others. The oft-quoted 50/50 fighter/wizard or cleric/wizard seems, to me, to be mostly about being able to be a wizard when it's most beneficial to be one and being able to fall back on another, better, role for those times when being a magic-user sucks.</p><p></p><p>IMO, that's why it's been so hard for people to lay out a <em>character concept</em> that can't be modeled well in this system. Because for the most part, it's not the concept that's taken the hit, it's the game-breaking uber-character.</p><p></p><p>My two cents. Flame away.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JohnSnow, post: 4198868, member: 32164"] Well, I don't have to bear the burden of working for Wizards and worrying about how what I say will reflect on the company. So I can get away with saying stuff like that. As long as I do it in a respectful manner (ENworld's "don't be a jerk" rule). See, to me, it seems that if I'm being honest, there aren't a whole lot of characters (even in fiction) that are as multitalented as people seem to be asking for here. When you have a character who's as tough as a fighter, can cast spells like a wizard, and has the skill set of a rogue, you have what fiction writers call a "Mary Sue." It's a character with no weaknesses to speak of, and it's lame. For example, it's like wanting to run [i]Star Wars[/i] with Han Solo as a Jedi Knight. Quite honestly, I put Cade Skywalker from the new [i]Star Wars[/i] comic series into this category. He's a smuggler jedi with a dark past...oh yeah, he's also a Skywalker. Please! Sure, you can do it, but what does a character like that need with a party? It is, to an extent, a problem with Jedi in general. They're so self-sufficient they just wander around kicking butt. As much as I like [i]The Wheel of Time[/i], I wouldn't deny that Rand's a bit of a Mary Sue. But I digress... Characters, good characters, have strengths and weaknesses. The class system builds those into a D&D character by making them better at some things and worse at others. The oft-quoted 50/50 fighter/wizard or cleric/wizard seems, to me, to be mostly about being able to be a wizard when it's most beneficial to be one and being able to fall back on another, better, role for those times when being a magic-user sucks. IMO, that's why it's been so hard for people to lay out a [i]character concept[/i] that can't be modeled well in this system. Because for the most part, it's not the concept that's taken the hit, it's the game-breaking uber-character. My two cents. Flame away. [/QUOTE]
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