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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 4200103" data-attributes="member: 2209">How well does it look like this handles wizards who multiclass into a melee class?I currently play in a 3e game with a level 17 rgr/wiz eldritch knight/abjurant champion. He uses a lot of spells for defense, melee buffing, a little ranged attack, divinations, and utility spells. He has a big sword various melee enhancement spells and likes to melee as his main combat strategy. He has almost no wizard prestige class abilities but at 15th level wizard caster level he has a lot of spells and wizard items (wands, robe of archmagi, etc.). He is not as good at meleeing as the melee oriented party paladin, fighter/cleric, or the corner cases (grappling) that the vow of poverty master of many forms warshaper druid is, but he's decent and can hold his own and do some neat things in his two niches (magic and magic boosted melee).In 4e I see this mechanically as a wizard dipping into some melee class features (whether it is general feats, multiclass feats, or whatever). Does this work out to an effective possibility?I see the fighter dipping for a few wizard powers working effectively mechanically, but this concept is not just a few specific limited wizard powers so I think it needs to be a base wizard multiclassing into a warrior type.Is this just the equivalent of the 3e Unearthed Arcana wizard variant who gets fighter bonus feats instead of wizard metamagic or item creation bonus ones (i.e. not enough to really turn a wizard into a decent melee concept)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 4200103, member: 2209"] How well does it look like this handles wizards who multiclass into a melee class? I currently play in a 3e game with a level 17 rgr/wiz eldritch knight/abjurant champion. He uses a lot of spells for defense, melee buffing, a little ranged attack, divinations, and utility spells. He has a big sword various melee enhancement spells and likes to melee as his main combat strategy. He has almost no wizard prestige class abilities but at 15th level wizard caster level he has a lot of spells and wizard items (wands, robe of archmagi, etc.). He is not as good at meleeing as the melee oriented party paladin, fighter/cleric, or the corner cases (grappling) that the vow of poverty master of many forms warshaper druid is, but he's decent and can hold his own and do some neat things in his two niches (magic and magic boosted melee). In 4e I see this mechanically as a wizard dipping into some melee class features (whether it is general feats, multiclass feats, or whatever). Does this work out to an effective possibility? I see the fighter dipping for a few wizard powers working effectively mechanically, but this concept is not just a few specific limited wizard powers so I think it needs to be a base wizard multiclassing into a warrior type. Is this just the equivalent of the 3e Unearthed Arcana wizard variant who gets fighter bonus feats instead of wizard metamagic or item creation bonus ones (i.e. not enough to really turn a wizard into a decent melee concept)? [/QUOTE]

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