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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kraydak" data-source="post: 4200297" data-attributes="member: 12306">A lot of this post will be rephrasing what I've said before, so I probably shouldn't post... but then, this thread is long enough that that is allowed, right?Most (not all) of my problems with 4e MCing is the name (and what is in a name, really?).  It is counter-intuitive to me that a process called multi-classing doesn't give you the aspects of the class you are multi-ing into.  The bog-standard fighter/rogue, if started as a rogue, loses (by losing feats, not significant) toughness rather than improving on one of the defining characteristics of the class he is multi-ing into.  Now, JohnSnow might say that if he did improve his hitpoints (like a 3e MC), it would be unbalanced because he didn't give up anything significant.  While true, that is, to my mind an indictment of the process: 4e MCing *does not* let you "average" your two classes.  You don't give up anything key to your class-role, and hence can't pick up anything important to your MCed class-role.  How can you call that multi-classing?I also expect that MC will come to be viewed as weak.  Swapping equivalently powered Powers at the cost of a feat might be worth it for increased versatility.  However, in 4e different classes use different weapon/implement sets.  If you want to multi from Fighter into rogue, you *can't* make use of your sneak attack 1/encounter without either using a gimped weapon (thereby negating any advantage of sneak attacking) unless you spend an extra feat on SAing with a real weapon (which IIRC is possible?).  That makes the initial feat +7 damage/encounter at the cost of 2 feats.  With longer encounters, that is probably about .35 damage/feat/encounter, less if you have to declare the SA before attacking.  Anyone remember if the other rogue Exploits are light-blade dependent?Or rangers: melee rangers are dual-wielders.  Multi-ing into ranger, you aren't getting the at-will dual wield mechanics for free, so when you want to use your cool MCed per/encounter ability, you need to draw an extra weapon, possibly sheath your (non-light) main weapon and, having spent time doing that, lost any advantage it might have earned you.  Maybe you can spend feats on dual-wielding as a non-ranger, but then you have to add that feat cost to the MC feat cost.A fighter that wants to cast fireball has to worry about spending a feat to use his sword as an implement (possible, IIRC), or maybe a feat for quickdraw...Because (many) classes are distinct in their "weapon" of choice (paladins/fighters/warlords stand a good chance at using the same gear, warlock/wizard/cleric might be), and casters gained implements that serve the same purpose, you need to add in the logistical cost of swapping between main-hand gear sets/getting proficiency in MCed gear sets.  If that cost exists, MCing is going to be somewhat gimped.</blockquote>

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