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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Fifth Element" data-source="post: 4186798" data-attributes="member: 48135">Indeed, threatening and flanking are not the issues here. (For the record, the rats wouldn't provide flanking because they are not friendly to you - which is a requirement for flanking - and they couldn't anyway since creatures with reach 0 can't provide a flanking bonus.)The issue is that to make the bag o' rats trick work (it doesn't, of course, but stay with me), is that each rat must be considered an "opponent" for the Whirlwind Attack. So you need to argue that these rats, which pose no threat to you and are not attacking you, are "opponents", because you need them to be in order for your trick to work (it doesn't).Edit: I guess the point is, terms like flanking and threatening need to be defined, because they are specialized terms in the game that mean something very specific, in-game, that do not match the general definitions of the words. "Opponent" is not the same, and as such the typical sense of the word should be used be default.Edit: Also, realize that I'm not talking about rules for which there exists more than one reasonable interpretation. I'm talking only about the absurd, bag o' rats type stuff.</blockquote>