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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 4203974" data-attributes="member: 2518">Better than expected but not perfect.I am still concerned that with this systems the player will &quot;roll for successes&quot; instead of &quot;rolling for a goal&quot;(meaning that players will simply roll their best skill because that will solve the challenge instead of really trying to get closer to their goal in game).And how should the PCs be able to know when a new skill can be rolled because of a previous success like with the history check here, especially as I see no reason why you can't start the negotiation with &quot;We are honored to meet the savior of whatevertown&quot; without previous successful diplomacy check. I also wonder how this system will ensure that everyone will get something to do. In this situation everyone with low Cha and who isn't trained in social skills will keep his mouth shut and let the negotiator talk.Edit:Another thing I wonder about is if it will be discussed how the use of powers affect skill challenges, like using charm person (if that power exists in 4E) or in a Escape from Sembia like challenge a Eladrin simply Feystepping away instead of fleeing from the guards with a skill. Does that count as success or not? And what happens when the power allows the character to reach the goal of the challenge before the required number of successes are accumulated like a wizard casting invisibility and simply walking out of Sembia?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derren, post: 4203974, member: 2518"] Better than expected but not perfect. I am still concerned that with this systems the player will "roll for successes" instead of "rolling for a goal"(meaning that players will simply roll their best skill because that will solve the challenge instead of really trying to get closer to their goal in game). And how should the PCs be able to know when a new skill can be rolled because of a previous success like with the history check here, especially as I see no reason why you can't start the negotiation with "We are honored to meet the savior of whatevertown" without previous successful diplomacy check. I also wonder how this system will ensure that everyone will get something to do. In this situation everyone with low Cha and who isn't trained in social skills will keep his mouth shut and let the negotiator talk. Edit: Another thing I wonder about is if it will be discussed how the use of powers affect skill challenges, like using charm person (if that power exists in 4E) or in a Escape from Sembia like challenge a Eladrin simply Feystepping away instead of fleeing from the guards with a skill. Does that count as success or not? And what happens when the power allows the character to reach the goal of the challenge before the required number of successes are accumulated like a wizard casting invisibility and simply walking out of Sembia? [/QUOTE]

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