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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Propheous_D" data-source="post: 4204332" data-attributes="member: 58952">I think alot of people are missing the boat on this one.No one says its impossible to bring up the past exploits of the Duke through history. What it is saying is that he hears it alot and it has no real bearing on the outcome of this specific challenge. You need something else that makes this personal and ties it directly to the Duke himself, and more important his quirks. The diplomacy check gives you a bit of insight into that and you can use that insight to bring up a rare point of history that you might have thought of as insignificant.Case in fact. The Duke all ways hears about his exploits in war, and in the court. However, from listening to him you get a sense that these mean nothing to him. He is a humanitarian and you can tell he walks among his people not just for show. You now know to look for something simple that he personally did in history that you can bring to light and spin in your favor. Perhaps it was as simple as rebuilding a church, or as innocent as sparing the life of the maiden Julliane from the blade of one of his gaurds. Something you would have completely missed or brushed past if you didn't have that inside info.These are like easter eggs the DM can plant with in a skill challenge. Remember the DM doesn't go "Ok that is one success you need 7 more". The DM role-plays the situation till resolution and inacts the consequences and rewards based on the outcome. This will vary greatly from table to table as thier RP requirements are met. You could RP an hour but solve the challenge in the first five minutes. Its up to the DM and the Players how they handle this. A failed history check will result in a negative, but a positive will not all ways result in a success basedon relevance. There may even be some failures the DM will ignore because they are irrelevant to the situation at hand. This is were the Advanced DM's will really make this system work to their advantages.</blockquote>

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