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<blockquote data-quote="Wolfwood2" data-source="post: 4205002" data-attributes="member: 39394">I don't see why such a fuss is being kicked up at the concept that some people can't be intimidated.&nbsp; Other folks can't be reasoned with (Diplomacy).&nbsp; Some people are even so mule-headed that they can't be bluffed.&nbsp; This notion that social skills are magic spell, where if you pile up a high enough modifier they'll work, is a bad carry-over from third edition.&nbsp; To quote an example from earlier in the thread, are you going to let the PCs intimidate Leonidus of Sparta?&nbsp; I don't see that working too well even if they're 30th level demigods descending down upon a thundercloud.There are also going to be situations where Diplomacy doesn't work.&nbsp; That gnoll sizing you up for his dinner pot may be immune to your charms.&nbsp; For him, intimidation and bluffing may be the only thing that are going to work.The DM determines the applicability of skills.&nbsp; The stats of the PC determine how good they are at the skill, if it's applicable.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Wolfwood2, post: 4205002, member: 39394"] I don't see why such a fuss is being kicked up at the concept that some people can't be intimidated. Other folks can't be reasoned with (Diplomacy). Some people are even so mule-headed that they can't be bluffed. This notion that social skills are magic spell, where if you pile up a high enough modifier they'll work, is a bad carry-over from third edition. To quote an example from earlier in the thread, are you going to let the PCs intimidate Leonidus of Sparta? I don't see that working too well even if they're 30th level demigods descending down upon a thundercloud. There are also going to be situations where Diplomacy doesn't work. That gnoll sizing you up for his dinner pot may be immune to your charms. For him, intimidation and bluffing may be the only thing that are going to work. The DM determines the applicability of skills. The stats of the PC determine how good they are at the skill, if it's applicable. [/QUOTE]

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