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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Stormtalon" data-source="post: 4205043" data-attributes="member: 5541">Actually, in this case, I'd use the fact that [insert ruthless bad guys] are using threats of violence towards the Duke's family as the reason the PC's aren't able to successfully Intimidate him.  His back's already against the wall, everything he cares about is in jeopardy and he may take a threat of personal death as a possible way out of the situation, freeing his family from the threats hanging over their heads.  Meanwhile, Diplomacy may convince him to hand them covert aid in the hopes that the party'll be able to remove the problem themselves.  In sum, the party can't intimidate him because far worse people have already beaten them to it.</blockquote>