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<blockquote data-quote="ForbidenMaster" data-source="post: 4205908" data-attributes="member: 63213">I dont understand why this is still an issue.&nbsp; The template is for a scenario in which the PCs are trying to gain the trust of the duke.&nbsp; Everyone here agrees that intimidating the duke would be against that goal, right?&nbsp; So whats the problem with the template?The only counter is that if the PCs are using intimidate then they arent really trying to gain the dukes trust.&nbsp; But that isnt true, they could just be making a mistake.&nbsp; Either way, the template still stands.&nbsp; Using intimidate does not gain the trust of anyone.&nbsp; People are trying to apply a template to a scenario that it doesnt cover.&nbsp; A scenario in which the PCs are trying to simply gain assistance by whatever means (friendly or unfriendly) would call for intimidate, as well as the other social based skills.&nbsp; But that is a different scenario.Its simple, the template is for a very specific scenario in which the PCs are trying to gain the dukes trust.&nbsp; If you change the scenario then the template no longer applies; but that doesn't invalidate the template for its given scenario.&nbsp; It simply means that the template doesnt apply to the scenario given and another template is required, one which is appropriate for the other scenario.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ForbidenMaster, post: 4205908, member: 63213"] I dont understand why this is still an issue. The template is for a scenario in which the PCs are trying to gain the trust of the duke. Everyone here agrees that intimidating the duke would be against that goal, right? So whats the problem with the template? The only counter is that if the PCs are using intimidate then they arent really trying to gain the dukes trust. But that isnt true, they could just be making a mistake. Either way, the template still stands. Using intimidate does not gain the trust of anyone. People are trying to apply a template to a scenario that it doesnt cover. A scenario in which the PCs are trying to simply gain assistance by whatever means (friendly or unfriendly) would call for intimidate, as well as the other social based skills. But that is a different scenario. Its simple, the template is for a very specific scenario in which the PCs are trying to gain the dukes trust. If you change the scenario then the template no longer applies; but that doesn't invalidate the template for its given scenario. It simply means that the template doesnt apply to the scenario given and another template is required, one which is appropriate for the other scenario. [/QUOTE]

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