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<blockquote data-quote="Thornir Alekeg" data-source="post: 4206345" data-attributes="member: 15651">I cannot believe this intimidate issue is still going.&nbsp; OK, it is a social skill in a social encounter, so what?&nbsp; Why does that mean it has to be allowed?&nbsp; As so many people have pointed out, the goal if the encounter is to gain the trust of the noble, and you cannot effectively intimidate your way to trust.&nbsp; What if the goal is to get some NPC to fall in love with you?&nbsp; Can you use intimidate there?&nbsp; Sure, you could scare the crap out of the person to the point where they will do as you ask, but they will do it out of fear, not love.&nbsp; Same thing in this situation; you might be able to intimidate the noble into cooperating with you, but he will be doing so from fear, not from trust.&nbsp; In my mind the best case scenario you could end up with is a situation where the adventure moves forward because you have the cooperation of the noble, but you do not gain experience for the encounter because you failed in the stated goal - gaining his trust.&nbsp; Oh, and I would fully expect that the intimidated noble would do his best to &quot;forget&quot; certain details that you would have learned if he trusted rather than feared you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Thornir Alekeg, post: 4206345, member: 15651"] I cannot believe this intimidate issue is still going. OK, it is a social skill in a social encounter, so what? Why does that mean it has to be allowed? As so many people have pointed out, the goal if the encounter is to gain the trust of the noble, and you [i]cannot[/i] effectively intimidate your way to trust. What if the goal is to get some NPC to fall in love with you? Can you use intimidate there? Sure, you could scare the crap out of the person to the point where they will do as you ask, but they will do it out of fear, not love. Same thing in this situation; you might be able to intimidate the noble into cooperating with you, but he will be doing so from fear, not from trust. In my mind the best case scenario you could end up with is a situation where the adventure moves forward because you have the cooperation of the noble, but you do not gain experience for the encounter because you failed in the stated goal - gaining his trust. Oh, and I would fully expect that the intimidated noble would do his best to "forget" certain details that you would have learned if he trusted rather than feared you. [/QUOTE]

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