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<blockquote data-quote="HeavenShallBurn" data-source="post: 4206738" data-attributes="member: 39593">More like didn't necessarily follow from.&nbsp; The template was for negotiation, then it jumps to &quot;For the NPC to provide assistance, the PCs need to convince him or her of their trustworthiness and that their cause helps the NPC in some way.&quot;&nbsp; Which is a little specific and restrictive in the greater context of negotiation.&nbsp; Ever seen Wind &amp; the Lion?&nbsp; There negotiation involved shooting up the harbor then marching troops in for the pertinent official to give his &quot;permission&quot; and offer of his own forces in assistance at bayonet point.&nbsp; Which might I add was a real incident and portrayed reasonably close to the way it actually happened.The problem is not that intimidation might lead to bad responses that would be deemed a failure.&nbsp; It's that gaining assistance requires convincing them of your trustworthiness, which is a little bit of a leap to be making for a broad template unless they've got another for gaining assistance through intimidation specifically.&nbsp; Did you note the last part of my post?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HeavenShallBurn, post: 4206738, member: 39593"] More like didn't necessarily follow from. The template was for negotiation, then it jumps to "For the NPC to provide assistance, the PCs need to convince him or her of their trustworthiness and that their cause helps the NPC in some way." Which is a little specific and restrictive in the greater context of negotiation. Ever seen [i]Wind & the Lion[/i]? There negotiation involved shooting up the harbor then marching troops in for the pertinent official to give his "permission" and offer of his own forces in assistance at bayonet point. Which might I add was a real incident and portrayed reasonably close to the way it actually happened. The problem is not that intimidation might lead to bad responses that would be deemed a failure. It's that gaining assistance requires convincing them of your trustworthiness, which is a little bit of a leap to be making for a broad template unless they've got another for gaining assistance through intimidation specifically. Did you note the last part of my post? [/QUOTE]

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