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Message: <blockquote data-quote="quixoteles" data-source="post: 4191598" data-attributes="member: 59883">I think it's already obvious that the people at WOtC have taken a serious critical look at what "classic" is at this moment in time, and have adjusted the game to reflect that. Perhaps the clichés from only a generation ago are outdated, perhaps in a country where we identify more with Clint Eastwood than John Wayne. Where good is tough and filthy and gritty; this is the new classic. Dark Angels are certainly ho-hum for me at this point, it not like I didn't watch X-topher Walken play the guy so good he's bad when I was 12. Not like these things don't rain down sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah or do counterintelligence and sabotage missions on the architects of the tower of Babel. They're scary amoral heavies, and monsters are fer killin' indeed. If you don't need shelter, food, or really any comfort and don't desire much of anything. The fluff says they are a function of a universe that is MAGIC, not just add-on to, or an exception to what we know as science, but a wholly magical cosmology, and that is radical. If you are a concept, an aspect, rather than a person, then money or power are empty concepts for you. The only thing that matters to you is execution of your essential nature: vengeance, valor, protection, snuggles, etc. Angels of Valor can't be hired to baby sit your kid or kill your ex-wife: they show courage in combat. Period. Chaotic Evil outsiders aren't concerned with a valor angel legionnaire's services. Valor as a concept is nonsense to them. Lawful Evil outsiders (I can't remember which is which, demons or devils)... perhaps. A dark angel wreaking vengeance upon a paragon of good that antagonized an evil god... yes, they would do that in 4e. And that's exciting, really very exciting. This is "Mommy, why do bad things happen to good dungeon crawlers?" good. This is better role playing good. This is storytelling brilliance good. Angels spend more time kicking human butt than devil butt in the old King James Bible. And no where in the official books did any of the celestials get tied to any particular gods, good or evil in the third edition meta-setting. Actually my classic, BoED angel's in my games involved something like this but I couldn't articulate it quite as well. So Average Citizen, they SAVED me work ironically.</blockquote>

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