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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 4192359" data-attributes="member: 32536">The more I look at it, the more I become certain that the reason I dislike 4E Angels is because they are built to work alongside 4E Gods. As something that works alongside 4E Gods, they really are not that bad, but 4E continues a very long D&D tradition of having really terrible implementations of gods.Fundamentally, D&D Gods, Pantheons, Cosmologies, and Religions are a schizophrenic mess of contradictory definitions and ideas in which opposing ideas of polytheistic and monotheistic religions are thrown together randomly and added on top of some absurd framework that historically has assumed completely absurd ideas like "gods get their power from their worshipers" and "get enough worshipers and you too can be a god". As a whole, the entire mess doesn't even make any kind of coherent sense, especially when you try to make any kind of direct comparison between religion in D&D and real world religion.As a whole, D&D religion tends to more closely resemble sleazy bureaucratic politics than anything else. The gods are politicians who hold some kind of office, worshipers are voters, and now they have completed the whole analogy by turning angels into lobbyists for special interest groups and political flunkies trying to earn a few favors. "Good" and "Evil" are little more than conflicting political parties. The "pantheon" is more of a government than an actual coherent pantheon. The whole thing reeks of sleaziness and pettiness, when it should be inspiring, interesting, and divine.Also, please don't respond to this post with "that is how they were in Greek Mythology!". They weren't. Describing the difference might be worthy of a thread in its own right, but I completely reject any notion that D&D gods in any way resemble real-world polytheistic pantheons.</blockquote>

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