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<blockquote data-quote="Obryn" data-source="post: 4988631" data-attributes="member: 11821">I think you're (again) ignoring several main factors in 4e.&nbsp; You've done the same thing before, but here goes....(1) 4e's rules aren't meant to model what happens when two NPCs fight each other.&nbsp; You're running into a silly situation because you were pushing for a silly situation.&nbsp; (Like in 3.5, the good, old fashioned Bat vs. Swarm of Flies debate.)(2) HPs in 4e aren't just physical damage, and what happens when a monster hits 0 HP is situational.&nbsp; It could be they surrender.&nbsp; It could be you knock them unconscious.&nbsp; It could be they run in fear.&nbsp; So even in this case, the human minion might have just run off, terrified - or been stunned into temporary oblivion from the shock.(3) Minions are only minions because they are fighting the PCs.&nbsp; There are no free-range minions who die when a dog bites them.-O</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Obryn, post: 4988631, member: 11821"] I think you're (again) ignoring several main factors in 4e. You've done the same thing before, but here goes.... (1) 4e's rules aren't meant to model what happens when two NPCs fight each other. You're running into a silly situation because you were pushing for a silly situation. (Like in 3.5, the good, old fashioned Bat vs. Swarm of Flies debate.) (2) HPs in 4e aren't just physical damage, and what happens when a monster hits 0 HP is situational. It could be they surrender. It could be you knock them unconscious. It could be they run in fear. So even in this case, the human minion might have just run off, terrified - or been stunned into temporary oblivion from the shock. (3) Minions are only minions because they are fighting the PCs. There are no free-range minions who die when a dog bites them. -O [/QUOTE]

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