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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Belphanior" data-source="post: 4014578" data-attributes="member: 12401">They've also been a pain to use. First you must learn the generic dragon rules (all their attack types, frightful presence, default immunities, etc.). Then you had to determine the unique spells, skills, and feats the individual dragon has. By this point you've probably you've probably spent half an hour, assuming you haven't decided to alter its ability scores from the default and you're not cutting corners by conveniently "forgetting" some details. And that's just too much time for a single critter if you ask me, unless we're talking about a recurring villain that will harry the PCs for many game sessions to come.I'm sure 4e will include rules for creating that one unique draconic villain. But nine out of ten times you just want a big lizard in your D&D to scare your players with, and that shouldn't have to take so long.So, cool? Yes but only if we're talking about how they look and what imagery they conjure. In actual practice they're more of a bother.All IMO</blockquote>