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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 7873259" data-attributes="member: 6801228">So, there was a lot to like about 4e healing surges, but they had a big downside to me (I did play a campaign or two).Each surge gave you back 1/4 of your hp or more, and you had surges equal to your level. And you could spend them on a short rest, which was 5 minutes. This would mean that an 8th level character actually tends to have three times the hp you think. So (if I remember my math right) an 8th level fighter didn't have 120 hp, they effectively had 360. Which is a lot to chewv through and only got worse. Talking about healing over breaks, one thing I've done which feels effective is say that players do not regain full hp on a long rest. Instead they spend HD as normal, recovering half their HD either before or after the rest. So, you can really tell when they've had a few hard days in a row, because they tend to be almost out of HD and rarely at full health. Seems to work really well for us, but low levels are even scarier than normal.</blockquote>