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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7873294" data-attributes="member: 996">Woah, no. The number of surges was based on class, as few as 6, as many as 10 or so.  Your CON mod added to the number of surges.  Not your level, which added to your hps, and thereby surge value.The 1/4 'or more' came from leader-role class's powers (significant - optimized could double your surge at high levels), or (much smaller bonuses) feats, racial perk, or item.  So, about 1/4 for most purposes - particularly between-combat healing.Not at all, really.  Surges were a hit-point-restoring resource, not hit points.  A character with 3x the hit points would be a very different animal from a character with 8 surges.  In any given combat, you could access 1 surge via Second Wind (a standard action, so not taken lightly), and the party's support 'leader role' character could trigger 2 or more, depending on level & build choices, in support of the whole party.  So even a 1st combat of the day could be quite a challenge, even drop PCs, while still leaving them able to recover and be ready for the next challenge.  The main effect of surges was not 'more hps' but silo'ing hit point recovery as a daily resource from attack/defenses/utilities as daily resources, and limiting access to that resource, both per-encounter, and per day.  It not only made classes with surge-triggers more interesting to play than the old (and new again) Band-aid Cleric without any risk of them turning into CoDzilla, it removed the kinds of systematic abuses of low-cost healing (wands/potions) we saw it 3e, as well.  One of the reasons the 5MWD wasn't the issue in 4e it was in other editions, 5e especially, and why 3-5 encounters/day was a pretty good target (though you could go much higher), vs 5e's needing to stick to 6-8 to remain at all functional in terms of both encounter & class balance.    I've seen similar variations. It's a bit of gratuitous dice-rolling & accounting, but some players are into that sort of thing, getting a sense of verisimilitude from the simulation-like detail of the exercise.Nod.  HD are recovered slower than hps, anyway, so that tendency is already there, your variant would make it more prominent.  It'd also tend to shorten the 'work day' that the party could handle, which would result in the party using more non-hp resources (like spell slots) in each encounter, increasing the relative importance of limited resources vs at-will.</blockquote>

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