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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SHARK" data-source="post: 222048" data-attributes="member: 1131">Greetings!Hey there Sword-dancer!<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Guten Tag! Wie alt bist du?<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Sword-dancer wrote:Quote:____________________________________________________"1 Why must a sophisticated culture be urban?2 Why could only highly organzed religion develop the concept of Paladinesse?3 Why should the cleric have any authority over the paladins especially supervise and discipline them?Paladins are judged by a higher standard usually then clerics."____________________________________________________End Quote.(1) Generally speaking, through the discipline of Anthropology, it can be seen that the development of urbanization is essential for a society to advance beyond barbarian/non-literate/Chiefdom-level societies. The lack of urbanization stands as an obstacle to increased labour and resource organization, and to the finely honed specialization of crafts and professions that make further advancement possible.(2) Paladins, being an outgrowth of the age of chivalry, was a complex of concepts and ideas that grew out of a particular set of political, religious, economic, social, and technological factors. Though many cultures throughout history have shared similar values to the paladin, regardless of urbanization or technology, the mere sharing of values or even ideals does not a paladin make. The paladin is a particular development of religious faith, fuedalism, sophisticated government, sophisticated moral and religious concepts, a specific class consciousness, and a particular technological level that offers lances, platemail, steel helmets, jousting, tournaments, and a crusading ethic. The complex of ideas needed for paladins doesn't seem to be present with simpler, less sophisticated, and less organized religions. (3) Clerics should have authority over paladins in the whole process of organizing and forming paladins, including discipline, knowledge, and training. Where else would the paladin recieve training? Where else would the paladin understand religion? Where else would the paladin even receive the understanding of the identity of being a "paladin"?In my view, paladins don't develop from a vacuum. Paladins don't develop out of a wild, barbaric, nomadic culture of horsemen, herders, and raiders, or some forest-dwelling barbarian tribe that doesn't have horses, or has a highly individualistic, free-wheeling religion, or culture. The same would apply to a more sophisticated urban culture that had a much more diverse, individualistic, and free-wheeling religion and culture, because the concepts, and the organization to even conceive of the identity of a paladin, or the "need" for paladins, would be absent. Such individualistic cultures might have religious champions, even religious warriors devoted to protecting their god or their temples, but that, again, isn't really what makes paladins, "paladins."I also can't see how paladins without the discipline, training, and supervision of a sophisticated organized religion would ever become paladins, or avoid getting into anti-nomianism.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Semper Fidelis,SHARK</blockquote>

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