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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 223235" data-attributes="member: 2209">First, for Hand of Evil's codethe exact text of the Boy Scout oath is:On my honor, I will do my best, To do my duty, To God and my country,To obey the scout law,To help other people at all timesTo keep myself physically fit, mentally awake and morally straight.Offtopic but related to a past Shark post regarding the magic vallorean field rations. I recently got a friend of mine to bring back an MRE and they have changed a bit, they now have self heaters and some of the food inside the packets have non camoflage packaging, i.e. jolly ranchers and honey oats granola bars as it they had come out of a store. The tortelini was pretty good too.Now back to the topic at hand.Shark, you seem to have a well thought out knightly order system which has social/temporal ramifications for the knights, but none of this seems necessary for paladins and would seem to apply to anybody who is a part of these orders and I don't see any reason for these order to not be open to fighters and clerics as well.If there is a knightly order solely made up of paladins then it probably has a temporal code similar to what you have done out, but there is also the code that is independent of any social structures or orders. These are inherent in the nature of being a paladin and relate to refraining from evil, etc. and the penalty for failing is loss of paladin powers, either until atonement or forever.In the 3e PH they go to some lengths to make the paladin concept more open than a restricted knighthood, you CAN rise up as called to do good one morning and be empowered by the forces of good as a champion of all that is right and just. What options are available in an individual campaign are up to the DM and what type of world he presents.From your responses Shark I would say you fall in the old school of paladins being knightly order types on your world as a standard.By the way, is there any situation where paladins will be charged by the military tribunal, court martialed, expelled from the order, have their sword broken in half but then wander throughout the west of the vallorean empire doing good and setting things right, paladin powers intact? Reading your court martial procedures just conjure up images of the rifleman for me.</blockquote>

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