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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 353318" data-attributes="member: 2358">Okay, I think you've lost me completely with what you're trying to compare here.&nbsp; A Level 20 Fighter won't have ANY Epic feats, but if you give him Epic feats as innate abilities, it will raise the ECL.&nbsp; Also, these Epic powers have no prerequisites.Also, by my House Rules for the Toughness feat chain, Epic Toughness gives an extra 100 hp, which will also GREATLY effect the outcome.&nbsp; (I have all the previous Toughness feats as prerequisites for Epic Toughness.)&nbsp; Trust me, it's perfectly balanced.&nbsp; Check out that Saiyans and Tyranids thread for the full details.&nbsp; Thus, giving it to his as-is, will definitely be an ECL +2.A Level 22 Fighter will have only two Epic feats, but will have to have all of the prerequisites for those feats.Possible, but not probable, not if you give useful Epic powers to the Level 20 Fighter.&nbsp; From your first example, let's throw out the bonuses to save.&nbsp; We'll give four Epic feats to the Level 20 Fighter as innate powers: Overwhelming Critical, Epic Toughness, Fast Healing, and Improved Manyshot.&nbsp; He needs none of the prerequisites for these powers.&nbsp; This character will be ECL 28.The Level 22 Fighter will have a total of two Epic feats, nothing more.&nbsp; He also needs all of the prerequisites for those feats.&nbsp; This character is ECL 22.&nbsp; That is a difference of 6 now.ECL 28 is CR 24, and ECL 22 is CR 21.&nbsp; That puts them within three levels of power of each other, with the Level 20 Fighter coming out on top.&nbsp; Put either of them against a party that would find that specific CR a challenge, and THAT is your comparison.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 353318, member: 2358"] Okay, I think you've lost me completely with what you're trying to compare here. A Level 20 Fighter won't have ANY Epic feats, but if you give him Epic feats as innate abilities, it will raise the ECL. Also, these Epic powers have no prerequisites. Also, by my House Rules for the Toughness feat chain, Epic Toughness gives an extra 100 hp, which will also GREATLY effect the outcome. (I have all the previous Toughness feats as prerequisites for Epic Toughness.) Trust me, it's perfectly balanced. Check out that Saiyans and Tyranids thread for the full details. Thus, giving it to his as-is, will definitely be an ECL +2. A Level 22 Fighter will have only two Epic feats, but will have to have all of the prerequisites for those feats. Possible, but not probable, not if you give useful Epic powers to the Level 20 Fighter. From your first example, let's throw out the bonuses to save. We'll give four Epic feats to the Level 20 Fighter as innate powers: Overwhelming Critical, Epic Toughness, Fast Healing, and Improved Manyshot. He needs none of the prerequisites for these powers. This character will be ECL 28. The Level 22 Fighter will have a total of two Epic feats, nothing more. He also needs all of the prerequisites for those feats. This character is ECL 22. That is a difference of 6 now. ECL 28 is CR 24, and ECL 22 is CR 21. That puts them within three levels of power of each other, with the Level 20 Fighter coming out on top. Put either of them against a party that would find that specific CR a challenge, and THAT is your comparison. [/QUOTE]

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