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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 354083" data-attributes="member: 2358">Expanded ECL rules! (Revised)Okay, here are my revised rules.  I didn't follow all of your suggestions, UK, but I think whereas I put the ECL too high, you put the ECL too low.  I'll take your word on some things, UK, but I think more testing is needed.Determining ECL:+1 ECL per Class Level+1 ECL per +1 CR increase of a Template+10 ECL for Divine Rank 0+20 ECL for Divine Rank 1+4 ECL per Divine Rank over Divine Rank 1+4 ECL/5 Hit Dice (80%) for Dragons and Outsiders+3 ECL/5 Hit Dice (60%) for Magical Beasts, Monstrous Humanoids, Shapechangers+1 ECL/2 (50%) Hit Dice for Aberrations, Elementals, Fey, Giant, Humanoids, Undead (except for Skeletons and Zombies)+2 ECL/5 (40%) Hit Dice for Beasts+1 ECL/5 (20%) Hit Dice for Animals, Constructs, Oozes, Plants, Undead (Skeletons and Zombies), Vermin+1/-1 ECL per +4/-4 total bonus to Strength, +8/-8 total bonus to Dexterity or Constitution, and +16/-16 total bonus to Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma, minimum +1/-1 per grouping (i.e. an athach has Str 27, Dex 12, Con 21, Int 7, Wis 12, Cha 6, which constitutes Str +16 for +4 ECL, Dex +2 and Con +10 for a +12 total for +1 ECL, Int -4, Wis +2, and Cha -4 for a -6 total for -1 ECL, giving the Athach ECL +4 total)+3 ECL for Blindsight+1/2 ECL per 10/+1 Damage Reduction (minimum +1)+1/2 ECL per 10 Fast Healing or Regeneration (minimum +1)+1/2 ECL per 10 Resistance to Energy, per instance, total minimum +1 ECL (i.e. Fire Resistance 20 would be ECL +1, Fire Resistance 40 would be ECL +1, Fire and Cold Resistance 10 would be +1, Fire and Cold Resistance 20 would be +2, etc.)+1 ECL for Spell Resistance, +1 ECL per 10 Spell Resistance over 20+1 ECL per +4 Turn Resistance+1 ECL per Energy Immunity+1 ECL per appendage over two+1/2 ECL per 10 natural armor+1/2 ECL per 50% increase in movement over standard movement based on size+(Creature's Hit Dice ECL Modifier) if the creature can summon more of its own kind, multipled by the number of times per day it may summon (i.e. a Hecatoncheires can summon another of its kind, so it receives +52 ECL because it is intially ECL +52 for being an Outsider)SAs and SQs not covered should be rated based on power, from +1 ECL per 2 SAs or SQs to +2 ECL per SQ or SQ, depending on the power of the SA or SQ.  Strengths and weaknesses balance and cancel each other out.For the purposes of this system, ECL equals CR in all cases.  For CRs over 20, use the following table, borrowed from UK's article in Asgard 6:  ECL  ---     CR        1-20 --- +1/Level  21-40 --- +1/2 Levels  41-80 --- +1/4 Levels 81-160 --- +1/8 Levels161-320 --- +1/16 Levels This format can be continued indefinitely as ECL and CR increases.Anyway, these are my revised expanded ECL/CR rules.  What do you all think?  What are your thoughts on this, UK?</blockquote>

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