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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 358920" data-attributes="member: 2358">I am still considering this one, but I'm leaning toward no on that issue, simply because it does not accurately reflect power levels under most circumstances.&nbsp; 10 HD for an Outsider gives MUCH more than 10 HD for a Vermin.Nothing else at all considered, such as ability scores and SAs and SQs . . . Well, take a Medium Vermin with all 10s in ability scores and NO SAs and SQs . . . With 10 HD, that would indeed be only ECL +2, because you get few skills and no feats.Unlike other Undead, Skeletons and Zombies get NO skills, one feat each TOTAL, and are completely brainless.&nbsp; Far inferior to all other Undead.That is part of the very thing we're debating.I would say no because skill bonuses aren't powerful enough to be considered.&nbsp; I would count Tumble, maybe, and definitely Iaijutsu Focus, but not the others.We'll hopefully be able to answer these questions very soon.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 358920, member: 2358"] I am still considering this one, but I'm leaning toward no on that issue, simply because it does not accurately reflect power levels under most circumstances. 10 HD for an Outsider gives MUCH more than 10 HD for a Vermin. Nothing else at all considered, such as ability scores and SAs and SQs . . . Well, take a Medium Vermin with all 10s in ability scores and NO SAs and SQs . . . With 10 HD, that would indeed be only ECL +2, because you get few skills and no feats. Unlike other Undead, Skeletons and Zombies get NO skills, one feat each TOTAL, and are completely brainless. Far inferior to all other Undead. That is part of the very thing we're debating. I would say no because skill bonuses aren't powerful enough to be considered. I would count Tumble, maybe, and definitely Iaijutsu Focus, but not the others. We'll hopefully be able to answer these questions very soon. [/QUOTE]

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