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<blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 380859" data-attributes="member: 2358">To be honest, I'm probably putting just as much time into the ECL/CR issue as you are.&nbsp; Why don't we work together?&nbsp; To be perfectly honest, we have been working together on this issue the entire time, we just haven't really been officially acknowledging it.&nbsp; My reasoning is that I have put a lot of work into the issue and would like to help get it right so that everyone can use the rules.&nbsp; I wanna contribute in any way I can, if you'd be willing to work with me on this issue.There's no conflict here, really.&nbsp; The ECL/CR rules are not an integral part of your Immortal's Handbook, not really, so we can just work on it here in the Forums and post our findings for everyone to see, as I have been.After careful consideration, I have figured out that you should NOT take size into consideration.&nbsp; Besides reach, the only thing size gives is a bit of natural AC, AC and attack bonuses/penalties, and some ability score modifiers.&nbsp; Just keep the ability score modifiers to ECL and throw out the size modifier, and you got everything covered.What I'm saying is, instead of modifying ECL on ability scores AND size, do it on only ability scores.&nbsp; Everything else abotu size balances out on its own and is not worth a modifier.They are the problem child for sure.&nbsp; They're weak as-is in the hands of some DMs, but more powerful than their ECLs suggest in the hands of an intelligent DM.&nbsp; Very nasty creatures they are.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Anubis, post: 380859, member: 2358"] To be honest, I'm probably putting just as much time into the ECL/CR issue as you are. Why don't we work together? To be perfectly honest, we have been working together on this issue the entire time, we just haven't really been officially acknowledging it. My reasoning is that I have put a lot of work into the issue and would like to help get it right so that everyone can use the rules. I wanna contribute in any way I can, if you'd be willing to work with me on this issue. There's no conflict here, really. The ECL/CR rules are not an integral part of your Immortal's Handbook, not really, so we can just work on it here in the Forums and post our findings for everyone to see, as I have been. After careful consideration, I have figured out that you should NOT take size into consideration. Besides reach, the only thing size gives is a bit of natural AC, AC and attack bonuses/penalties, and some ability score modifiers. Just keep the ability score modifiers to ECL and throw out the size modifier, and you got everything covered. What I'm saying is, instead of modifying ECL on ability scores AND size, do it on only ability scores. Everything else abotu size balances out on its own and is not worth a modifier. They are the problem child for sure. They're weak as-is in the hands of some DMs, but more powerful than their ECLs suggest in the hands of an intelligent DM. Very nasty creatures they are. [/QUOTE]

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