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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Anubis" data-source="post: 382523" data-attributes="member: 2358">Perhaps I used the wrong words here.  What I mean is that it sounds as if you've already decided on what to do and are just laying it out for us to see and comment on, rather than considering it a "work in progress" with all of us contributing in some way.In other words, it sounds like you have already decided what to do, or if not, you're gonna go it alone, rather than actually considering most of this.  (A good example of this is how you completely dismissed my original thoughts on ECL modifiers, even though you have eventually changed your mind on some of those points.)That's all I was saying.  I think the best way to handle this is teamwork.You may wanna reconsider this, seeing as the ECL rules could be useful for everybody, but only a few people actual run campaigns that use deities.  The material is (mostly) unrelated.  Only three modifiers in the system actually relate to deities at all.  Putting them in the book is great, but these ECL rules are something I would like to someday see in the SRD, if it is at all possible, while you and I both know the bulk of the Immortal's Handbook will never see the SRD because they're already released their rules on the matter.  See my point?You were, however, applying them twice.  First you modify for the ability scores, and then you modified for size.  Basically, you took the raw scores for bigger or smaller creatures and applied the modifier twice for the size modifiers to ability scores.(i.e. A Solar is Large with Str 28, Dex 20, Con 20, Int 23, Wis 25, Cha 25.  You gave it ECL +1 for being Large AND an ECL modifier for Str +18, Dex +10, Con +10.)If, however, you have handled it as I have, subtracting the size modifiers before determining the modifiers, then there is no problem.(i.e. A Solar is Large with Str 28, Dex 20, Con 20, Int 23, Wis 25, Cha 25.  Change the physical stats to Str 20, Dex 22, Con 16 for the size increase, then give it ECL +1 for being Large and an ECL modifier for Str +10, Dex +12, Con +6.)This, however, overly complicated matters.  You get the same result by simply ignoring size and giving the modifier for ability scores only.(i.e. A Solar is Large with Str 28, Dex 20, Con 20, Int 23, Wis 25, Cha 25.  Give it an ECL modifier for Str +18, Dex +10, Con +10, and you get the same result as in the second example, which is the correct example.)So see, size doesn't matter in ECL when you count the ability scores.Dragons may need their own ECL chart.</blockquote>

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