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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7260062" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>::Rolf the Dog voice:: Never say 'fixing' in the same sentence with 'pet...' <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p> Not as much as Fighter SUX on Gleemax, back when the fighter class design was at it's cleanest & most elegant.... </p><p></p><p> Tabasco? Mono-sodium glutamate? Bar coded serial numbers? They're unique identifiers...</p><p></p><p>... OK, I'm going to try to be serious....</p><p></p><p> In addition to those, something that's come up once or twice is that the (non-EK) fighter is arguably the most approachable class, not just to new players, but to most NPCs (not supernatural, doesn't rage, isn't shifty). So giving it some extra cred in the interaction pillar could be justified that way.</p><p></p><p> What are they calling 'sense motive' these days? Whatever, some sort of mechanical advantage (like the advantage mechanic) with that? </p><p></p><p>...can't do it... must make more jokes...</p><p></p><p> It means you've paid your dues, time after time and done your sentence but committed no crime and made a few bad mistakes and had your share of sand kicked in your face. But you've come through. (And need just go on and on, and on, and on)</p><p>It means you'll keep on fighting 'til the end, and that you have no time for losers...</p><p></p><p> 85 tons and a PPC.</p><p></p><p> It means you've sworn fealty to an Eldritch Lord.</p><p></p><p></p><p>...OK, seriously, back to being somewhat serious...</p><p></p><p> What about the first three definitions, they seem a lot better. <strong>The Champion is someone who fights for others.</strong> Hey, it sounds better than 'meat shield.'</p><p></p><p> How about some out-of-combat abilities keying off their CS dice. Maybe they can use their CS dice on social checks vs NPCs they have sized up using Know Your Enemy?</p><p></p><p> They're limited to Abjuration/Evocation, too. Maybe let them learn/prep spells & use rituals, more or less like wizards?</p><p> They were an order of High-Elves/Eladrin, originally, IIRC. </p><p></p><p>I'm OK with it, I guess, it's not like it's a huge deal. </p><p>Maybe an ability to train/drill an ally, loaning it a CS die it can use to perform one maneuver, once, in the next combat, perhaps specifically against an enemy the BM knows about in advance, or has used Know Your Enemy on?</p><p> The Champion could be the Champion of his party, or at least the squishies in his party - he fights for them, afterall.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7260062, member: 996"] ::Rolf the Dog voice:: Never say 'fixing' in the same sentence with 'pet...' ;) Not as much as Fighter SUX on Gleemax, back when the fighter class design was at it's cleanest & most elegant.... Tabasco? Mono-sodium glutamate? Bar coded serial numbers? They're unique identifiers... ... OK, I'm going to try to be serious.... In addition to those, something that's come up once or twice is that the (non-EK) fighter is arguably the most approachable class, not just to new players, but to most NPCs (not supernatural, doesn't rage, isn't shifty). So giving it some extra cred in the interaction pillar could be justified that way. What are they calling 'sense motive' these days? Whatever, some sort of mechanical advantage (like the advantage mechanic) with that? ...can't do it... must make more jokes... It means you've paid your dues, time after time and done your sentence but committed no crime and made a few bad mistakes and had your share of sand kicked in your face. But you've come through. (And need just go on and on, and on, and on) It means you'll keep on fighting 'til the end, and that you have no time for losers... 85 tons and a PPC. It means you've sworn fealty to an Eldritch Lord. ...OK, seriously, back to being somewhat serious... What about the first three definitions, they seem a lot better. [b]The Champion is someone who fights for others.[/b] Hey, it sounds better than 'meat shield.' How about some out-of-combat abilities keying off their CS dice. Maybe they can use their CS dice on social checks vs NPCs they have sized up using Know Your Enemy? They're limited to Abjuration/Evocation, too. Maybe let them learn/prep spells & use rituals, more or less like wizards? They were an order of High-Elves/Eladrin, originally, IIRC. I'm OK with it, I guess, it's not like it's a huge deal. Maybe an ability to train/drill an ally, loaning it a CS die it can use to perform one maneuver, once, in the next combat, perhaps specifically against an enemy the BM knows about in advance, or has used Know Your Enemy on? The Champion could be the Champion of his party, or at least the squishies in his party - he fights for them, afterall. [/QUOTE]
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