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<blockquote data-quote="cordell" data-source="post: 1807508" data-attributes="member: 21399">I just bought the Expanded psionics handbook.I do not understand why there are different feats for magic item creation.&nbsp; Let's take the example of Craft psionic arms and armor.Background:&nbsp; To create magic weapons, each power is assigned an &quot;enchancement equivalent&quot;.&nbsp; For example, the &quot;Defending&quot; power is equivalent to +1 bonus, and &quot;flaming&quot; is also a +1 bonus.&nbsp; To create a weapon which is only +1 to hit and damage, you pay 2,000gp.&nbsp; To create a +1 defending weapon, you pay the same price as a +2 weapon - 8,000 gold.&nbsp; A +1 defending flaming weapon costs the same as +3 - 18,000gold.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you don't understand this &quot;geometric nature&quot; for pricing magic weapons, the rest of this post won't make sense to you...Without considering Psionics, if a player has a +1 defending weapon, and wants to add &quot;flaming&quot;, he pays an arcane/divine caster with the proper feat the difference between the +2 and the +3 equivalents to make the upgrade - 10,000 gold.&nbsp; (18k minus 8k)If psionic weapon powers and &quot;magic&quot; weapon powers are different, then a player with a &quot;magic&quot; +1 defending weapon, could pay a psionic caster with the proper feat to just make a brand new +1 flaming weapon on top of his defending weapon, at a cost of 8,000 gold.&nbsp; Of course, the +1 enchancement bonuses do not stack, but its still cheaper over all, and the end effect is the same - a +1 flaming defending weapon.I don't know which powers are available to psionic casters to place into weapons.&nbsp; Suspend your disbelief for a second to see the point of my post - a player can have a &quot;+3 equivalent&quot; weapon for cheaper cost, if psionic and magic are different.&nbsp; Now, apply the same theory to a +10 equivalent weapon, which would normally cost 200,000 gold ... if you psionics and magic are different, then the player can make the equivalent weapon by combining a +5 and a +6, at a total cost of 122,000 gold&nbsp; (50k +72k).&nbsp; (yes, I know you need two magic item creators instead of only one.)This doesn't sit well with me - both from a balance standpoint as well as from a &quot;psionic-magic transparency&quot; thing.I know it can be solved with a House Rule, but it seems that, RAW, it's whacky.Possible house rules:1) craft arms and armor is only 1 feat.&nbsp; it works for divine, arcane, and psionic casters.2) the weapon and armor &quot;equivalents&quot; on the magic side apply to the psionic side.&nbsp; therefore, upgrading a +2 equivalent &quot;arcane&quot; weapon to +3 equivalent weapon still costs 10k, even if the upgrader is psionic.I like number 1 better, but as I am new at this, I humbly ask the board for their opinions...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="cordell, post: 1807508, member: 21399"] I just bought the Expanded psionics handbook. I do not understand why there are different feats for magic item creation. Let's take the example of Craft psionic arms and armor. Background: To create magic weapons, each power is assigned an "enchancement equivalent". For example, the "Defending" power is equivalent to +1 bonus, and "flaming" is also a +1 bonus. To create a weapon which is only +1 to hit and damage, you pay 2,000gp. To create a +1 defending weapon, you pay the same price as a +2 weapon - 8,000 gold. A +1 defending flaming weapon costs the same as +3 - 18,000gold. If you don't understand this "geometric nature" for pricing magic weapons, the rest of this post won't make sense to you... Without considering Psionics, if a player has a +1 defending weapon, and wants to add "flaming", he pays an arcane/divine caster with the proper feat the difference between the +2 and the +3 equivalents to make the upgrade - 10,000 gold. (18k minus 8k) If psionic weapon powers and "magic" weapon powers are different, then a player with a "magic" +1 defending weapon, could pay a psionic caster with the proper feat to just make a brand new +1 flaming weapon on top of his defending weapon, at a cost of 8,000 gold. Of course, the +1 enchancement bonuses do not stack, but its still cheaper over all, and the end effect is the same - a +1 flaming defending weapon. I don't know which powers are available to psionic casters to place into weapons. Suspend your disbelief for a second to see the point of my post - a player can have a "+3 equivalent" weapon for cheaper cost, if psionic and magic are different. Now, apply the same theory to a +10 equivalent weapon, which would normally cost 200,000 gold ... if you psionics and magic are different, then the player can make the equivalent weapon by combining a +5 and a +6, at a total cost of 122,000 gold (50k +72k). (yes, I know you need two magic item creators instead of only one.) This doesn't sit well with me - both from a balance standpoint as well as from a "psionic-magic transparency" thing. I know it can be solved with a House Rule, but it seems that, RAW, it's whacky. Possible house rules: 1) craft arms and armor is only 1 feat. it works for divine, arcane, and psionic casters. 2) the weapon and armor "equivalents" on the magic side apply to the psionic side. therefore, upgrading a +2 equivalent "arcane" weapon to +3 equivalent weapon still costs 10k, even if the upgrader is psionic. I like number 1 better, but as I am new at this, I humbly ask the board for their opinions... [/QUOTE]

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