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<blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 7649599" data-attributes="member: 177">And calling it a pantomime isn't belittling or judgmental?&nbsp; And how about those players for whom there *IS* a sense of achievement involved?&nbsp; This slips into a confrontational way of looking at things, but it still carries some of a point:&nbsp; the score in a football game is, in its way, subjective - some teams are better than others, so a goal scored against one team is not the same as a goal scored against another team.&nbsp; Does that mean we shouldn't keep score?&nbsp;&nbsp; The experience of a movie is thoroughly subjective - does that mean that &quot;number of stars&quot; ratings are completely useless?&nbsp; No, it does not - to bring it back to RPGs, a subjective measure simply means that players should be ready to scale their expectations about the meaning of XP from one GM to another.&nbsp; But, having done so, for a given GM, they can legitimately take some sense of achievement, and it has some use.&quot;Objectivity&quot; is a big deal in science and mathematics.&nbsp; Not so much in terms of, say, judging media or entertainments.&nbsp; So long as you *think* about it, the subjective measure is still a useful thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Umbran, post: 7649599, member: 177"] And calling it a pantomime isn't belittling or judgmental? And how about those players for whom there *IS* a sense of achievement involved? This slips into a confrontational way of looking at things, but it still carries some of a point: the score in a football game is, in its way, subjective - some teams are better than others, so a goal scored against one team is not the same as a goal scored against another team. Does that mean we shouldn't keep score? The experience of a movie is thoroughly subjective - does that mean that "number of stars" ratings are completely useless? No, it does not - to bring it back to RPGs, a subjective measure simply means that players should be ready to scale their expectations about the meaning of XP from one GM to another. But, having done so, for a given GM, they can legitimately take some sense of achievement, and it has some use. "Objectivity" is a big deal in science and mathematics. Not so much in terms of, say, judging media or entertainments. So long as you *think* about it, the subjective measure is still a useful thing. [/QUOTE]

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