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<blockquote data-quote="Irda Ranger" data-source="post: 4712244" data-attributes="member: 1003"><p>So can I. What I said though was that you're <em>avoiding</em> the arguments by simply saying "Well I disagree". We're not having a discussion here because you're not directly addressing many of the arguments made against your contention, and I'm on the verge of giving up here.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So was I. Just so we're clear.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is exactly what I mean by "not engaging"! Both Crothian and I have pointed out to you that Skill Challenges and Quests encompass "roleplaying" and earn XP rewards. I'm not "disagreeing with you" on something that's a subjective preference. It's a <strong>fact</strong> that you can earn XP from roleplaying (whether directly or indirectly). There is no reasonable disagreement with this statement. You could (within the RAW of 4E or <strong>any other game</strong>) earn the majority of your XP for a session or campaign from roleplaying.</p><p></p><p>This is factually accurate. It is not a problem with XP leveling systems. If you aren't earning XP for roleplaying it's because that's how your DM wants it, and is not inherent in XP systems (4E or otherwise).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Look, just for me at least, you can stop with this constant apologizing. I haven't interpreted anything in this thread as a personal complaint or attack; and short of you PMing me with ad hominem insults I promise not to going forward either.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And several posters have now pointed out that some of these observations are wrong. Not "we disagree with you" wrong but factually, objectively, observably "in the scientific sense" wrong.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>First, I've been using "Quest XP" since AD&D 2E, and you can define that so specifically as to support pretty much any genre. Further, if you still refuse to admit that "Quests" and "Skill Challenges" are so broad as to support roleplaying awards, changing what you earn XP for is a trivial change that is far easier to implement than thinking up a whole new advancement system.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>But this isn't an XP issue</em>. You wish to discuss XP, yes? Well this problem is not an XP problem. It's a problem that you'll have with any RPG if you allow it to happen, and won't be a problem in any system where you don't allow it. This is a problem with your table rules, not XP.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it is, actually. Most people usually have a PHB. But regardless, this <strong>clearly</strong> isn't a problem with the XP system.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly. Not a problem with XP.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tomato, tomato. All of these systems will have the same problems you outlined in your post.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Irda Ranger, post: 4712244, member: 1003"] So can I. What I said though was that you're [I]avoiding[/I] the arguments by simply saying "Well I disagree". We're not having a discussion here because you're not directly addressing many of the arguments made against your contention, and I'm on the verge of giving up here. So was I. Just so we're clear. This is exactly what I mean by "not engaging"! Both Crothian and I have pointed out to you that Skill Challenges and Quests encompass "roleplaying" and earn XP rewards. I'm not "disagreeing with you" on something that's a subjective preference. It's a [b]fact[/b] that you can earn XP from roleplaying (whether directly or indirectly). There is no reasonable disagreement with this statement. You could (within the RAW of 4E or [b]any other game[/b]) earn the majority of your XP for a session or campaign from roleplaying. This is factually accurate. It is not a problem with XP leveling systems. If you aren't earning XP for roleplaying it's because that's how your DM wants it, and is not inherent in XP systems (4E or otherwise). Look, just for me at least, you can stop with this constant apologizing. I haven't interpreted anything in this thread as a personal complaint or attack; and short of you PMing me with ad hominem insults I promise not to going forward either. And several posters have now pointed out that some of these observations are wrong. Not "we disagree with you" wrong but factually, objectively, observably "in the scientific sense" wrong. First, I've been using "Quest XP" since AD&D 2E, and you can define that so specifically as to support pretty much any genre. Further, if you still refuse to admit that "Quests" and "Skill Challenges" are so broad as to support roleplaying awards, changing what you earn XP for is a trivial change that is far easier to implement than thinking up a whole new advancement system. [I]But this isn't an XP issue[/I]. You wish to discuss XP, yes? Well this problem is not an XP problem. It's a problem that you'll have with any RPG if you allow it to happen, and won't be a problem in any system where you don't allow it. This is a problem with your table rules, not XP. I think it is, actually. Most people usually have a PHB. But regardless, this [B]clearly[/B] isn't a problem with the XP system. Exactly. Not a problem with XP. Tomato, tomato. All of these systems will have the same problems you outlined in your post. [/QUOTE]
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