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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6786342" data-attributes="member: 6787650">I'm not saying Bladesingers are bad, but when you claim that the Bladesinger is competitive in combat with a fighter you're selling the fighter short. Fighters, and especially archers, blow Bladesingers out of the water when it comes to weapons combat. &quot;You will likely be doing better average damage at levels 1-10 than the fighter&quot; is simply not true in any game with feats, and probably not even without feats.1.) Sharpshooter archers will outdamage you by a factor of 1.3x to 4x, depending on whether you're using melee cantrips under ideal circumstances or ranged weapons or ranged cantrips. And unlike you, the Sharpshooters are effective at 600', which means they can get up to ten rounds of free attacks while you're twiddling your thumbs, which in practice means that Sharpshooters can act as area denial/overwatch, and you can't.2.) Fighters will tend to have better attack stats (Str or Dex), will hit more often, and do more damage. That's because unlike you they don't have to invest in Int, and they also get extra ASIs at 6th and 14th level. If you're investing in Warcaster this disparity just gets worse.3.) War Magic. It's better than Haste for DPR purposes: always on, doesn't cost concentration or actions to initiate, doesn't give you a horrifically large vulnerability.TL;DR Unsurprisingly, Bladesingers are not competitive with fighters in weapon damage output. Bladesingers are better wizards than Eldritch Knights, not better fighters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6786342, member: 6787650"] I'm not saying Bladesingers are bad, but when you claim that the Bladesinger is competitive in combat with a fighter you're selling the fighter short. Fighters, and especially archers, blow Bladesingers out of the water when it comes to weapons combat. "You will likely be doing better average damage at levels 1-10 than the fighter" is simply not true in any game with feats, and probably not even without feats. 1.) Sharpshooter archers will outdamage you by a factor of 1.3x to 4x, depending on whether you're using melee cantrips under ideal circumstances or ranged weapons or ranged cantrips. And unlike you, the Sharpshooters are effective at 600', which means they can get up to ten rounds of free attacks while you're twiddling your thumbs, which in practice means that Sharpshooters can act as area denial/overwatch, and you can't. 2.) Fighters will tend to have better attack stats (Str or Dex), will hit more often, and do more damage. That's because unlike you they don't have to invest in Int, and they also get extra ASIs at 6th and 14th level. If you're investing in Warcaster this disparity just gets worse. 3.) War Magic. It's better than Haste for DPR purposes: always on, doesn't cost concentration or actions to initiate, doesn't give you a horrifically large vulnerability. [B]TL;DR[/B] Unsurprisingly, Bladesingers are not competitive with fighters in weapon damage output. Bladesingers are better wizards than Eldritch Knights, not better fighters. [/QUOTE]

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