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<blockquote data-quote="Brother Shatterstone" data-source="post: 1266615" data-attributes="member: 13442"><p>Obviously you have no military experience, nor do you paint a nice, or realistic, picture of those who do or have served their country... You’re right though; every marine is trained to kill but that doesn’t make them hate, or distain, every man, woman, or child they’ve, or will, ever meet.</p><p></p><p>I guess since I am in the military and my actions have lead to the death of hundreds of Iraqi that I have no choice but to hate mankind? Now before you ask, no I didn’t shoot, stab, or do it via personal attack, but it takes the actions of thousands to make our weapons of war functions.</p><p></p><p>Also my grandfather and my great uncle both fought in WWII, and both saw combat, and neither of them had/has long term hatred of the Japanese, nor did they hate mankind in general. (Their theater of operations)</p><p></p><p>Also your example shows what I was asking for, the use of a favored enemy as a nation, with you ruled against, though I can understand that decision for game balance, but I’m curious as to why you would think that? </p><p></p><p>How many functional member of are society saw actions in WWII only to come home and lead perfectly normal lives? How many serial/mass murders have you seen on the news cause they saw action in the Gulf War? I’m sure out of the hundreds of thousands troops in that war their would have been more than a few who qualified for favored enemies. If you start adding other wars to this discussion then your argument would lose even more weight.</p><p></p><p>Favored enemies mean you know where they carry their vitals; you know the size of their footprints, how long their strides are, rather their heel of their foot lands before or after the toe when they run. Knowing how to kill someone doesn’t mean you like too, or are more prone to, or that you hate everyone in that species/race. It just means you’re a lot better at killing that species/race than the normal person.</p><p></p><p>There is no mention of “hate”, “anger”, “distrust”, or what ever in either the 3.5 PHB ranger entry nor special update that was in <em>Dragon</em> that deals with rangers.</p><p></p><p>Personally, I’m rather hard to offend and I wasn’t offended by your example but others in this group might be and that’s why I didn’t quote your example…</p><p></p><p></p><p>It just seemed natural to me with my orginal idea, and that idea hasn't changed any...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Brother Shatterstone, post: 1266615, member: 13442"] Obviously you have no military experience, nor do you paint a nice, or realistic, picture of those who do or have served their country... You’re right though; every marine is trained to kill but that doesn’t make them hate, or distain, every man, woman, or child they’ve, or will, ever meet. I guess since I am in the military and my actions have lead to the death of hundreds of Iraqi that I have no choice but to hate mankind? Now before you ask, no I didn’t shoot, stab, or do it via personal attack, but it takes the actions of thousands to make our weapons of war functions. Also my grandfather and my great uncle both fought in WWII, and both saw combat, and neither of them had/has long term hatred of the Japanese, nor did they hate mankind in general. (Their theater of operations) Also your example shows what I was asking for, the use of a favored enemy as a nation, with you ruled against, though I can understand that decision for game balance, but I’m curious as to why you would think that? How many functional member of are society saw actions in WWII only to come home and lead perfectly normal lives? How many serial/mass murders have you seen on the news cause they saw action in the Gulf War? I’m sure out of the hundreds of thousands troops in that war their would have been more than a few who qualified for favored enemies. If you start adding other wars to this discussion then your argument would lose even more weight. Favored enemies mean you know where they carry their vitals; you know the size of their footprints, how long their strides are, rather their heel of their foot lands before or after the toe when they run. Knowing how to kill someone doesn’t mean you like too, or are more prone to, or that you hate everyone in that species/race. It just means you’re a lot better at killing that species/race than the normal person. There is no mention of “hate”, “anger”, “distrust”, or what ever in either the 3.5 PHB ranger entry nor special update that was in [I]Dragon[/I] that deals with rangers. Personally, I’m rather hard to offend and I wasn’t offended by your example but others in this group might be and that’s why I didn’t quote your example… It just seemed natural to me with my orginal idea, and that idea hasn't changed any... [/QUOTE]
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