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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 9502712" data-attributes="member: 87792">Agreed. And for all I may disagree with just about everything you favour in D&D and think that it's a good thing that that mode of play was left largely in the 80s (when computers were starting to lever their advantage that way) as far as I can recall I've never thought your opinions weren't adding something to the conversation.And for the record I can be scathing about 5e as well. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> A big part of how is because of how lukewarm it is; it's a compromise edition with almost all the rough edges filed off.There's a huge flaw in your analogy. No one asked him to join the conversation - and given that it's an open conversation he as far as I can tell isn't adding anything insightful. His first three comments in this thread all boil down to his saying "without having read the book I know I don't like it" without giving any specifics about why. But I think I should bow out of this tangent.</blockquote>