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<blockquote data-quote="pawsplay" data-source="post: 5052958" data-attributes="member: 15538">I don't remember saying that, and I definitely don't see how that relates to liking 3e.Okay, you got me. You can't do the concept of Fireball Guy before 5th level.So let me try again. If you haven't fulfilled your basic archetype by 4th level, your concept is not very focused. Taking a prestige class, whether Scion or otherwise, is not going to weaken the foundational set of abilities you already possess. Scion, as with all prestige classes, offers an opportunity cost. &quot;I need to get 11th level in X classes to fulfill my concept&quot; is not a meaningful concept when there is a real possibility the character could die at 10th level and never be resurrected. I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that you need to be level 13 (for example) in order to fulfill your concept, when you are playing the character up through 12th level to get there. Since WoL basically reduces a character's abilities, it's as if to say: &quot;My concept requires that I have the capabilities of a 13th level character who has been nerfed to about about 11th level.&quot; &quot;I am playing a character that does not fulfill its own concept until several levels later,&quot; just seems suspect. The concept of a character who has already achieved does not seem to mess with the concept of a game that focuses on achievement.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pawsplay, post: 5052958, member: 15538"] I don't remember saying that, and I definitely don't see how that relates to liking 3e. Okay, you got me. You can't do the concept of Fireball Guy before 5th level. So let me try again. If you haven't fulfilled your basic archetype by 4th level, your concept is not very focused. Taking a prestige class, whether Scion or otherwise, is not going to weaken the foundational set of abilities you already possess. Scion, as with all prestige classes, offers an opportunity cost. "I need to get 11th level in X classes to fulfill my concept" is not a meaningful concept when there is a real possibility the character could die at 10th level and never be resurrected. I have trouble wrapping my head around the idea that you need to be level 13 (for example) in order to fulfill your concept, when you are playing the character up through 12th level to get there. Since WoL basically reduces a character's abilities, it's as if to say: "My concept requires that I have the capabilities of a 13th level character who has been nerfed to about about 11th level." "I am playing a character that does not fulfill its own concept until several levels later," just seems suspect. The concept of a character who has already achieved does not seem to mess with the concept of a game that focuses on achievement. [/QUOTE]

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