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Expertise Dice Not Necessarily Fighter Exclusive
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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5996017" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>I would argue that the sheer number of feats the Fighter received did in fact give him something no other class could do. No other class could Spring Attack or Whirlwind like the Fighter could, because the number of feats it took to do it made it prohibitively expensive for any class other than the Fighter for example.</p><p></p><p>So on a similar note... I personally think there is something to be said to having a mechanic for all weapon users just like there is a mechanic for all spell users. Then it comes down to HOW that mechanic gets applied (and the story connected to it) to each of the classes that makes them unique.</p><p></p><p>Magic will be used by a large number of classes-- the Wizard, the Cleric, the Druid, the Warlock, the Sorcerer, possibly the Bard. But what kinds of magic, the number of spells, how they are acquired/used, and the story behind their use are all different. By the same token, Combat Superiority could easily be used by a large number of non-spell classes-- the Fighter, the Paladin, the Warlord, the Rogue, the Ranger, the Barbarian. And what kinds of Fighting Styles they have access to, the number of Expertise Dice they get, and the story behind their use... could all be different for each of these classes.</p><p></p><p>Does the Warlock casting spells make the Wizard inferior? I would opine not. The Wizard is still awesome based upon the TYPES of spells he can cast, how he casts them, and the story behind how he does it... and it makes the class unique. The same way I would not think that a Ranger who used Expertise Dice for Slayer or Sharpshooter would make the Fighter inferior, especially if the Fighter used the Dice in a way that was uniquely his. Whether that be that he got bigger dice than other classes, or he had more styles at his disposal to choose from, or some other thing.</p><p></p><p>Truth be told though... the real issue for me is not whether Combat Superiority should remain Fighter-only because of giving the Fighter something uniquely his... but whether it should remain Fighter-only because the Fighting Styles OVERLAP with Specialties enough that other classes don't NEED to have both. If the Ranger can already take the Archer Specialty and get those feats... does he also then need the Sharpshooter Fighting Style on top of that? That... I'm not so sure. And I'd be inclined to playtest that kind of thing out. Is having a Specialty and a Fighting Style in the same thing too much of a good thing and overpowered in comparison to another combination?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5996017, member: 7006"] I would argue that the sheer number of feats the Fighter received did in fact give him something no other class could do. No other class could Spring Attack or Whirlwind like the Fighter could, because the number of feats it took to do it made it prohibitively expensive for any class other than the Fighter for example. So on a similar note... I personally think there is something to be said to having a mechanic for all weapon users just like there is a mechanic for all spell users. Then it comes down to HOW that mechanic gets applied (and the story connected to it) to each of the classes that makes them unique. Magic will be used by a large number of classes-- the Wizard, the Cleric, the Druid, the Warlock, the Sorcerer, possibly the Bard. But what kinds of magic, the number of spells, how they are acquired/used, and the story behind their use are all different. By the same token, Combat Superiority could easily be used by a large number of non-spell classes-- the Fighter, the Paladin, the Warlord, the Rogue, the Ranger, the Barbarian. And what kinds of Fighting Styles they have access to, the number of Expertise Dice they get, and the story behind their use... could all be different for each of these classes. Does the Warlock casting spells make the Wizard inferior? I would opine not. The Wizard is still awesome based upon the TYPES of spells he can cast, how he casts them, and the story behind how he does it... and it makes the class unique. The same way I would not think that a Ranger who used Expertise Dice for Slayer or Sharpshooter would make the Fighter inferior, especially if the Fighter used the Dice in a way that was uniquely his. Whether that be that he got bigger dice than other classes, or he had more styles at his disposal to choose from, or some other thing. Truth be told though... the real issue for me is not whether Combat Superiority should remain Fighter-only because of giving the Fighter something uniquely his... but whether it should remain Fighter-only because the Fighting Styles OVERLAP with Specialties enough that other classes don't NEED to have both. If the Ranger can already take the Archer Specialty and get those feats... does he also then need the Sharpshooter Fighting Style on top of that? That... I'm not so sure. And I'd be inclined to playtest that kind of thing out. Is having a Specialty and a Fighting Style in the same thing too much of a good thing and overpowered in comparison to another combination? [/QUOTE]
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